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The crazy ‘Palestine project’
Hagai Segal
Published: 02.10.11, 10:17
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1. HI!
Israeli 2   (10.02.11)
"The Palestinians already have one state, the Gaza state..." Gaza will be reverted back to Israel and the West bank annexed. This leaves them with Jordan.
2. that's okay man... then give us right to vote.
Salma ,   Palestine   (10.02.11)
Your choice is either black or white.... Not a shade of gray. We're here to stay. THE NAKBA - NEVER AGAIN
3. Nice advice for Avigdor Lieberman
Ron ,   Israel   (10.02.11)
A Foreign Minister, who lives hidden to not tarnish the image of the country
4. No need to worry.
Jeff ,   Ann Arbor, USA   (10.02.11)
It is only a matter of time until the Arab Spring will reach the Palestinian state of Jordan. After that they can change the name to Palestine or leave it as Jordan. Either way, there is already such a state in the 99% Muslim controlled Middle East. To create yet another such state, is insanity at best.
5. #1 hehehe
Salma ,   Palestine   (10.02.11)
DO NOT follow your dreams, they will be crushed.
6. Palestine
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (10.02.11)
Arabs like to speak about "historical Palestine". They complain, that even 1967 borders contain only 22% of historical Palestine. Something not ok with this. Real historical Palestine are from the Litani river, to the Vadi el Arish ( Nahal Micrayim ) inclusive the Perea territory east of Jordan river. The "Palestine" the arabs are speaking about was drawn by british buerocrats of the Foreign Office in London. From the real Palestine the arabs own today aproximately 70%. What do they want then ?
7. To the author
Jerusalem ,   Jerusalem   (10.02.11)
All of your concerns are not that serious, Palestinians and Arabs are more concern when it comes to Israel nuclear weapons and high tech bombs. I believe Arabs feel Israel as a bigger threat than Iran.
8. A fear drenched article...
esnuffnstl ,   USA   (10.02.11)
...that supports an idea that will only bring Israel grief. Like it or not, the idea of a Palestinian state (on land currently occupied by Israel) is not going away. The entire world, including many Israelis, believe giving the Palestinians a state is the right thing to do and nothing that happens will change this. Given how powerful Israel is (and with an excellent strategic position and backing from the US) Israel has nothing to fear from giving the Palestinians a state. No other action by Israel is likely to garner the support of moral-thinking people throughout the world (who are the majority of the world's population--and the vast majority of the world's leaders.) Yes, there will always be people who hate you, but they can be marginalized by giving the Palestinians the same right Israel was given after WWII. It is, BY FAR, the smartest thing Israel can do to ensure its long-term survival. So it's time (beyond time, really) for the few million far-right Israelis to grow a back bone and accept the inevitable: a Palestinian state.
9. #8 Palestinians prove everyday they don't deserve state
Rachel ,   US   (10.02.11)
10. #8
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (10.02.11)
So it's time (beyond time, really) for the few million far-right Israelis to grow a back bone and accept the inevitable: a Palestinian state. The ersatz Palestinians have refused every offer for their own state. They have had several chances. It doesn't matter what the entire world thinks. The entire world used to think the world was flat. Israels long term survival has nothing to do with your silly notion of giving these undeserving people another state when they already have Jordan.
11. It's not about deserve a state
Dshap ,   Miami, USA   (10.02.11)
It's not about whether or not the Arabs "deserve" a "palestinian state", or whether they already have one in Jordan. No. It is about the fact that the Arabs insist that what us theirs is theirs and what us Israel's should be theirs too. It is about the fact that their "state" will wage violence, as history and the current state of affairs demonstrates. These people do not want peace with, but the elimination of Eretz Israel. That is not acceptable and anyone who insists it is be damned. I'm just sayin'.
12. Jordan is Palestine. End of story.
Ben Yisrael ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (10.02.11)
13. It will all be over very soon.
Susi Goldstein ,   ISRAEL   (10.02.11)
....And we will see who God gave this land to....
14. For God's sake,for EU sake,for worldwide sake,NO PALESTINE!!
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (10.02.11)
15. Your Likud MKs are misleading you
Marcella   (10.02.11)
Your alleged "right wing" Likud MKs play a double game of defending the settlements with empty words, while going along with every major government policy aimed at their weakening and eventual dismantling. Unfortunately, patriotic Israelis are playing their own game of self-deceit hoping that the PM does not really mean what he says, and irrationally expecting the status quo to last forever. Full annexation is long overdue. The most effective path open to Israelis now is to confront their MKs regarding their abandonment of the Likud platform and their acquiescence to the plan to create a Palestinian state. Voters must demand a drastic return to basic Likud principles.
16. Excellent!
lidia ,   Israel   (10.02.11)
your article makes sense! I feel sorry for those whose capacity to understand is gone and can't accept the facts. The Ayatollah is already preparing the"" Ïntifada Conference"" What's next?
17. #14 You forgot to mention for my sake, also. Go Giallo Rossa
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (10.02.11)
18. The mask slips
Sam M ,   UK   (10.02.11)
A senior member of the Fatah Central Committee Abbas Zaki in an interview on Al-Jazeera tv recently said the following: referring to any final status agreement between Israel and the PA: It... “should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967... everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go'' He then went on to add: “If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall, what will become of Israel? It will come to an end,” Zaki predicted. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions!!
19. Give them Gaza...and STOP this madness !
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (10.02.11)
ANNEX JUDEA AND SAMARIA !!! Israel and Gaza-Palestine MUST be the end game...!!!>>>The two state solution...
20. #15: Marcella: VERY TRUE! Thank you.
Israeli 2   (10.02.11)
21. to all decent normal israeli - Not to the racist talkbackers
a normal guy ,   westbank   (10.03.11)
if you really have a mentality of accepting us. many of us will work hard to make either a peaceful country , or a peaceful -have rights- citizens in one country. I know many might reply in some crappy comments that wont help anyone. But based on some context of this article. I really think a good percentage of palestinians can work hard to make it possible to live peacefully and i am one of them. It just needs a mutual trust at the beginning, to show both sides that it could work. Otherwise, each side can easily find excuses to grow extreme not acceptance of each other..... i know its theoretical and difficult to achieve.. but i just had a moment of "peaceful" imagination maybe..
22. It's not racism to deal with reality.
Chaim ,   Israel   (10.03.11)
It's all well and good to pretend we can solve all our problems by sitting around a fire, linking arms and chanting kumbaya. However, the reality is very different. "Palestinian" society is dedicated to destroying Israel. It's covenants, daily PA TV broadcasts, public squares, school texts and every other part of it's society don't merely say this. They SCREAM it each and every day. In fact, creating a new state in Judea and Samaria is nothing but a ploy to destroy Israel. It's Fatah champions have proudly admitted so many, many times. Israel must defeat "Palestinian" poseurs and claim our tiny land. It's not racism to deal with reality.
23. To Normal Guy #21
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (10.03.11)
Most of us "settlers" happen to be normal too. In fact, in my community there are a lot of people who work with you normal guys on a daily basis. Have you ever been to the Rami Levi (either in the north west bank or south west bank) and seen how normal Pals and Israelis work and shop together? Let's meet and I'll buy the first coffee...
24. To: No. 21
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.03.11)
Then why haven't so-called "normal" ersatz "Palestinians" risen up and gotten rid of your terrorist leadership? The best predicter of future behavior is past behavior. The ersatz "Palestinians" have a pretty lousy track record. When Israel acquired the West Bank in 1967 in the course of fighting a defensive war against Jordan, we did everything imaginable for you. How did you repay our kindness and generosity of spirit? With terror, terror and more terror. Please tell me -- Why should anyone believe you now? Why aren't we far better off without you in our midst?
25. Jordan is Palestine and thats the only solution
hippocrates ,   earth   (10.03.11)
26. #22 Sarah is right even though you mean well you are 2 weak
hippocrates ,   earth   (10.03.11)
for the extremists. They are much stronger than you are, and if you don't get out of their way to do their murders you will become one of the murdered yourself. Yes there are other normal folks but the anti semtiic hatred is so deep and goes way back back far beyond 1967, or even 1948. Your culture awards the strong, and who is stronger than the one crazy enough to blow themslef up? thats why "normal folk" like you will be overpowered. Even abbass wouldn't last 24 hours if not for Israel and US security measures. Without it Hamas would rule Gaza in less than a fortnight. My suggestion is to place pressure on hashemites who are not even 1% of jordan ruling majority of palestinians. That should be the citizenship you crave, and you stay where you are as permenent residents of Israel.
27. To: No. 5
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (10.04.11)
Yes, you've done such a FABULOUS job "crushing" Israel in six wars and seven decades of terror ..... We own you. Your fate is what we will decide it to be. Deal with it.
28. 3 Jewish states besides Israel
Abu Adam ,   Boynton Beach FL USA   (10.07.11)
The Jewish Republic of New York-capital Brooklyn; The Jewish Republic of Florida- capital Miami Beach; The Jewish Republic of California-capital Hollywood.
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