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The ultra-Orthodox bomb
Yaron London
Published: 08.11.11, 11:02
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1. ThisYour Relativism Doesn't Work, London, Sorry
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim   (11.08.11)
B"H London, you are equating Israel to Iran, Judaism to Islamism , "us" to "them". This is a huge error that shows only your immaturity. The Jewish, and so your very own right too, to the Land of Israel is directly Torah derived, with other words immediately proportionate to our degree of adherence to Torah. Where do you think the skill of the pilots come from? From Barak? Your sense of danger of course is justified London, but it is of the secular Zionists’, not of the Jewish people as a whole: Jews proved to stand a better chance with Hashem, with our G-d, rather than with your exhausted, bankrupt and dead secular Zionist replacement religion.
2. We must stop subsidizing the birth rate
jason white ,   afula, israel   (11.08.11)
of anti Zionist groups. Prison for draft dodging. No B.S. national service, but either wear the I.D.F. uniform or wear the prisoner's uniform. Make them pay a defense tax of 100 shekels for each member of the draft dodgers' families. Also return all the child allowances they received over the years with interest. No more drivers licenses for draft dodgers. Do not allow hara-dim to make alyah, just like we will not allow the arab "refugees" to return. They should learn that studying in a yeshiva is not equal to defending Israel as a soldier.
3. Halevi/London/"Haredi Threat"
N Heching ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.08.11)
Spoken as a true Ignotamus- pathetic obviously little knowledge of the literature the "haredi" studies as a "haredi" looking jew I am not aware of any WMD- other than mouth of one who knows little but nonetheless speaks
4. Don't complain!
Keren ,   IL-BR   (11.08.11)
Do not complain for many reasons. First of them is that your complaint is fool because you won't change that-Jews have children.Does it sound strange to you?Do you want to change that?No,of course,so your complain is vain and fool. Second:It is better an army of G-d than an un-G-dly army,kind of arab style"rebels"or kind of China style ,or Cuba style and so on.Don't you agree? Third:Jews are not like Iranians nor like Arabs nor like anyone of them.Jews are Jews with our own peculiar characteristics thus we will never be "Iran"or what ever,therefore,again,your complain is fool and vain. Please,if you don't have useful solutions,better don't speak. That's much,much better.
5. GOOD ARTICLE
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (11.08.11)
Regarding : " The salvation of the jews is at the hands of G-d in the heavens and does not depend on the skills of our pilots in the skies " as mr .London said , as a good friend once told me : "G-d will support you but he will not fight your battles for you ."
6. HOW TO DEAL WITH THE HAREDIM
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (11.08.11)
Should they get out of hand ,the effective way to confront them is to make them work for a living .As the holy Torah says : Man shall work 6 days and by the sweat of his brow he sall eat .
7. DIRTY 4 LETTER WORD
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (11.08.11)
A dirty four letter word to the Haredim : WORK .
8. to understand this article
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.08.11)
To understand the implications of this article, one should read Chapter 2 of a book called "My Struggle" by a certain Austrian. Start with when he came to Vienna with "once when I was strolling through the inner city..."
9. He must not have spent time researching this article
David Bitton ,   Israel   (11.08.11)
This article is very simplistic, almost childish. Sad to see supposed journalists write up an article working on their limited knowledge of a subject instead of investing time in research and then writing an article worth reading. This article was a bunch of rubbish.
10. What about all the Anti Zionist Leftists
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (11.08.11)
I think their avoiding the IDF is equal to the ultra Orthodox.In any event proportionately the National Religious serve in a much higher proportion then the secular.Gilad Atzmon , Ilan Pappe as well as the alphabet soup of secular Leftist groups must be Londons idea of great Zionists
11. Leftist anti-religious rubbish propaganda
Menachem ,   Israel   (11.08.11)
Ortodox Israelis are integrating into the work place and the society at large and the majority of them are loyal to Israel and in favor of democracy. The future belongs to the House of David, not to the tiny and thankfully shriniking minority of subversive self-hating Jews like Yaron London.
12. Yaron the Idiot
Mordechai ,   London   (11.08.11)
I think you should read some history before commenting. All Jews that are around now, is because their grandparents, great grandparents all the way up, kept the laws of the Torah. Because they were religious. How many descendants are there of Theodore Hertzel that are Jewish? (answer, there are no Jews left from him). if you forsake Yiddishkiet, Yiddishkiet forsakes you!
13. The Ultra-Orthodox bomb
WORRIED ABOUT INCITE ,   London, Yerushalaim   (11.08.11)
I am somewhat surprised that the author of this piece Yaron London has not been arrested for incitement, as has been many religious zionists, for saying things which are based on Torah, which it would seem that Mr London does not hold by. Why is he still in Israel and not joining the rest of the not yet religious Israelis living outside Israel, as Israel, Judaism and G-d (Torah) are one unit. Israel without Torah is like any other land and why live there with the difficulties if one can live elsewhere without the problems that Israel faces.
14. Yaron's article
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (11.08.11)
Dear Yaron, you claim you know little about the 'Nuclear weapons in Iran's possessions' - clearly you know little about Orthodox Judaism too... yet you comment and ridicule... yes in all camps there are extremists and radicals.... study TRUE Judaism and it will show you a beautiful life with depth, all-encompassing and "A light to the world" Thousands of Baálei Teshuva are not wrong, brainwashed or drugged!" Try it....... Best wishes.. Moshe
15. wow!
yankel ,   london   (11.08.11)
if this (or what halevi said) was said by someone in europe, we would all be up in arms shouting anti-Semitism!
16. A friendly advice to Yaron
Sagi ,   Tel Aviv   (11.08.11)
Stop writing bullshit and focus on the truly important things in life.
17. comparing Haredim to Iran?
kirshenbaum ,   afeka, tel aviv   (11.08.11)
aren't we pushing it too high for the sake of pseudo-intellectualism here?
18. we have more to fear from Islam than
Golan ,   modiin   (11.08.11)
some ignorant putz in a penguin suit who does not know Torah but wears girly curls.
19. NOT WITHOUT A REASON
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (11.08.11)
It is not without a reason why the little monkey from Teheran hates the Zionists with such deep passion. The constant hate and incitement coming from the Ynet opinion makers, has over stepped any decency and is pure religious hatred, packaged in Democratic falsehoods. The National Socialists in the 1930's employed the same tactics and writing skills, which let to much more hatred. Secular Zionism is just another part of our history were Hellenist Jews, try to deny their roots in Torah and end up hating and despising more then our enemies who want to destroy us.
20. Chareidim
DF ,   Israel   (11.08.11)
If it weren't for the chareidim and other religious Jews here, the Arabs would have been a majority a long time ago. Most of the secular leftists have few children, if any at all. Also, little by little, chareidim are joining the work force and the numbers of those going into the army though still small are rising each year.
21. Demographic horror
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (11.08.11)
What's your solution to this problem,Yaron? Do you have a temporary solution or a final one?
22. The poor fellow simply hates religion
Craig ,   Washington DC   (11.08.11)
And that's sad for him
23. What a hatred and xenophobia for your country men
PRINCE ,   Nigeria   (11.08.11)
Ynet why allow such an irritating article to be published. shame on you
24. this article incompetently translated!
bob ,   potomac, md usa   (11.08.11)
"until the age of 19"? should be "up to the age of 19"--- "in its possessions"--should be "in its possession" there are a number of other things that stand out--such as "sprititual" when you should say "intellectual"----and the glaring "dc" typo where you shoud have "did"-- this makes the article read like the instructions on a Chinese or Korean electrical gadget. If I were Yaron London I would be throuroughly perturbed at Ynet News for botching his article.
25. Right on...
Gabriel ,   Tel Aviv   (11.08.11)
Israel is in very serious trouble. Israel was founded to be a safe haven for Jews, not to be a country where Orthodox Judaism is the law. Religion and democracy don't mix. Many seculars and modern orthodox would leave an Iran-style Israel and they are the people who the country depends on. So, like Iran, poor, religious, intolerant, and living in the past. What a future.
26. Haredi commenters
JDE ,   Boston, USA   (11.08.11)
Your imbecilic statements demonstrate precisely what Yaron is talking about. You understand nothing about the way reality works; you understand only your isolated world and its idolatrous devotion to your precious gedolim. You will be the destruction of Israel.
27. to #12 theodor Herzel children had harsh life
ghostq   (11.08.11)
but also Brener who was ultra orthodox and he was murdered by arabs, got nothing to following bible, no children left from Brener either.
28. #2
aDI   (11.08.11)
go and learn something and then come back and rewrite this article go and speak to a real Yeshiva student who learns all day and practices what he learns and then rewrite this article, it would seem to me that you dont really know enough of the real goings on in the real Charadi community to be writing anything Have a nice day
29. Disaster
Sagi   (11.08.11)
is just around the corner.I am on my way out. Yes, I shall close the door on my way out and take care that it does not hit me. What those left behind when I am gone do not understand is that when they decide to leave there will be no door. This country is at the moment a lame duck, fast on the way to becoming a dead duck.
30. This article scares me
Racheal ,   Rehovot   (11.08.11)
... change the word haredi to black, mexican, etc. Now read it. (and another thing - worried about the birth rate? Start having more babies of your own and stay out of other people's bedrooms. How dare you attack this basic right of every human being.)
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