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US church versus Israel
Giulio Meotti
Published: 11.11.11, 13:16
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31. Presbyterians do not constitute all Christians.
Harry Wright ,   UK   (11.11.11)
It was very instructive to me to learn of this because by far, most of the media coverage that I have come across shows strong support from Christians. Among the wide assortment of Christian groups, one can expect a variety of views. Even among a people, the same applies. I have come across many anti-Israeli views from Jews themselves. Indeed, I learnt the term "fifth column" from Israeli online newspapers. I think it is erroneous to brand all Christians because 2, 3 or 4 groups show anti-semitism. I also feel it is a "first past the post" situation as well. If the Arab message gets to them first with no counter-balancing Jewish/Israeli message, then there can be only one expectation. If there is no reaching out or even total rejection, there can be only one expectation as well. Some Christian pastors operate within narrow confines and shape their opinion from the news on TV, like most people. If the news is biased...well. They won't expend energy going any further because it is neither important to their world view nor their profession. Others have made it their business to follow what is going on. The Arabs certainly know how to "position" themselves favourably and spewing hatred against Christians will work more against, than for Israel. I don't think that this is the era for maintaining or widening fractures between Jews and Christians. There is a far bigger enemy out there, that is present and immediate - one which is committed to slaughtering Jews and Christians alike, plus others. This is my view on this controversial matter and I do hope that balance and good sense will prevail.
32. Also baptist church goes astray from the Bible.
Jouko ,   Finland   (11.11.11)
The best understanding of the Bible is to be found only in Pentecostal Churches - ex. Assemblies of God. Only the pentecostal church understands that what God says He means exactly that. Pentecostal believers love Israel and here in Africa they are more than 20 million and the whole world up to 500 millions. So most Bible loving Christians love Israel.
33. PCUSA is lost
Jan ,   Houston, Texas   (11.11.11)
The PCUSA is a very liberal church and not to be confused with several other conservative Israel supporting Presbyterian churches. Any church that opposes Israel is not part of the true Christian church. True believers in Yeshua are to pray and support Israel wholeheartedly.
34. Amen brother!
Jan ,   Houston, Texas   (11.11.11)
35. Blessings for this journalist
Dina ,   US   (11.11.11)
36. to Brod, #3
motti ,   new york   (11.11.11)
what are those two commandments ?
37. Discrimination, ANTI Semitism
SOMEWHERE USA   (11.11.11)
Has occurred to anyone in Occupied Palestine and or the USA to ask the question? Why does anti Semitism exist ? Would it not be fruitful to address that question and do something about it rather than claim that Jews / Zionism are the chosen people, Since when does GOD Choose anything ?
38. #36. The 2 greatest and most difficult commandments.
Harry Wright ,   UK   (11.11.11)
1. Love the Lord your God first, above all else - there goes the money, symbols of wealth, prestige, power etc. 2. Love your neighbour as yourself - who can???? If you do, you won't murder them, slander them, lie to them etc. We ALL fall short.
39. All Bible loving christians love also Israel!
Jouko ,   Finland   (11.11.11)
It is the liberal theological churches and christians that are anti-semitic and against Israel because they don't understand that what God says He means exactly that!
40. To: #30 graczek
GOOD ,   USA/Israel   (11.11.11)
What a bunch of blasphemous nonsense in one little post. God has a standing contract with Abraham and the Jewish people. There are no IF's, BUT's or other golden parachutes in that contract, it is forever. You better ask forgiveness for claiming that GOD has cheated his people and walked back on his eternal promise to the children of Abraham.
41. All christians should love Israel
rune f ,   oslo norway   (11.11.11)
All christians are in Jesus/Yeshua spiritually connected with Israel Ephesians2:12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
42. Motti #36
Brod ,   USA   (11.11.11)
"You shall love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself..." Matthew 22:36-40.
43. Israel was never "Jewish"
Anthony Clifton ,   Texas   (11.11.11)
Israel is a PEOPLE that have never been Ashkenazim/Khazar "Proselytes" to Talmudic Judaism...Just the facts [http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jews.htm] See Benjamin Freedmans' Facts are Facts....Time to make Exodus back to Khazaria....or accept the Truth and work for Justice....It is after all what Jesus actually said that so infuriated the Edomite imposters called Pharisees & "Money Changers".
44. AGAIN, everybody hates "israel" and jews?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marwan ,   Tel Aviv, Palestine   (11.11.11)
Ynet, Israel and bibi the neten yahoo will always be my favorite sharmouta.
45. US Presbyterians
Brian ,   UK   (11.11.11)
Not all Presbyterian denominations in the US are the same. The Pres. Church USA is the left leaning, anti-Israel culprit. The article misrepresents the others.
46. An obvious racist comparison that seems overlooked
William ,   Israel   (11.11.11)
The article states that Presbyterians provided several US presidents throughout history, is very wealthy, and have much influence/control. No one blinks an eye. Yet, when the same is attributed to Jews, they are vilified as greedy, controllers of US finances, wars, and govt. Yet, not one Jewish president ever presided and the US has largely ignored Israeli advice on problems in the Middle East when Bush decided to go into Iraq himself. Anyone else see the obvious racist leanings of most Israel (and Jewish) detractors?
47. #30 - "theologically correct"
William ,   Israel   (11.11.11)
Theology, by its nature, is subjective, exclusive, and used to justify all types of discrimination throughout history. Claiming this action by the Presbyterian Church as "theologically correct" is like claiming the Nazis were justified because Mein Kempf was "ideologically correct". Jesus was not killed by Jews but rather by the Roman overlords which the Vatican admitted to, and absolved the Jews of any wrong-doing. The same Bible which claims Jews killed Jesus were created by the Romans and by early Christians who were rejected by Jews as a way to demonize Jews and take away their infinite rights from their early relationship with G-d. Many religions try to depict the Jews as "demons, violent, not deserving of G-d's graces, lost G-d's favor" as a way to displace them as "G-d's chosen". Muslims do this all the time. Doesn't make it right as only G-d can speak for G-d, not jealous, greedy men.
48. #30 graczek - LOL
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.11.11)
Answer: Since when does G-d abolish promises? Answer: When graczek says so.
49. #10 leah
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.11.11)
Thank you for the informative update. It seems the devil is in the details (pardon the expression, given the suject matter).
50. #8 jehudah
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.11.11)
Interesting; that someone living in Israel can generalize about THE face of American Christianity, as if there is only one. It is as varied as Judaism in the US or Israel.
51. The mass migration of US Jews to Israel is long overdue
Jake ,   USA   (11.11.11)
52. the problem is not the church, but the author...
Rafi ,   US   (11.11.11)
Giulio Meotti sees an anti-Semite around every corner...
53. The Lord Jesus Christ says -
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.11.11)
" My kingdom is not of this Worldorder" (Kosmos). Any so called Church who belongs to This Worldorder is a Fake Church. Subsequently cant the True Assemlys of Christ partake in Worldpolitic or Partypolitic. Those so called Churches has nothing with Jesus Christ to do, and they are not Christian either. When Israel in Biblical times made Intercourse with other Nations, HASHEM called Israel an Harlot. This is what the Book of the Revelation of John in the Bible calles those so called Churches, who has Intercourse with the Worldly Powers. The Focus of a True assembly of Christ and Her Aim and Goal is- New Jerusalem thus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eSdop0rG7Y As is written about the Mother of all Christians - " The Jerusalem who is above, is free and is our Mother " !. This is what I have seen in my Vision - " In my Vision I saw, looking down from Heaven, below me lay Israel and the Holy City Jerusalem " !. Jerusalem forever and ever !. Arn. Sweden.
54. # 42
ain   (11.11.11)
you don't ask israelis to love their neighbors the palestinians - nor do you love your own neighbors @ the natives of america
55. Get the facts right
Sidney ,   USA   (11.11.11)
Andrew Jackson James Knox Polk * Ulysses S Grant * Rutherford B. Hayes * James Buchanan Grover Cleveland Benjamin Harrison Woodrow Wilson Dwight D. Eisenhower Ronald Reagan This is not most. In the last one hundred years we had three. However I would agree that the Presbyterian church leaders are anti-Semitic. Woodrow Wilson appointed the first Jew to the Supreme Court.
56. Prophecy does say this will happen…
Jeffrey ,   Texas   (11.11.11)
A mass exodus from the true teachings of Christianity is happening today. I am a gentile. I believe that Jesus is the promised Jewish Messiah. He is my covenant with the God of Israel. Todays Churches no longer teach that. Instead they teach that they are the chosen. They are the truth. They are the way. It’s sad… It is obvious to me that the present day Jewish Israelis are the returned remnants of the tribes of Israel. Why? The world hates them and wants to destroy them. Read the bible and bingo, there they are. Same situation that was, is today. Israel will soon be on it’s own. It has been foretold. The United States is coming to an end (divided/split in half). It has been prophesied. We will soon be a great nation no more. Few true Christians will survive our holocaust. Hang in there Israel! Those in the Christian Revolution will make their stand with you!
57. Billy Graham
David ,   Montgomery AL   (11.11.11)
Friends, Billy Graham is a Southern Baptist. Please fact check.
58. True believers
Sobieski ,   Germany   (11.11.11)
If we are true believers then the jewish Messiah lives in us. This will manifest in love for Israel.
59. Please get your facts straight before you publish
Pastor in Israel ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.11.11)
I happen to be a pastor that supports Israel. Unfortunately you undermine your journalistic credibility by presenting "facts" that are very inaccurate. Two examples: Billy Graham is not a Presbyterian, but a Baptist. Presbyterian ministers NEVER refer to themselves as "priests." They use the term minister or pastor.
60. #46 - everyone should read this post
Jake ,   USA   (11.11.11)
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