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German fantasy world
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 22.11.11, 19:22
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1. WRONG: The focus must be on radical Islamist and the Left
GHook93 ,   Chicago   (11.22.11)
The Nazis are far smaller than what the author makes them out to be. Of course as a Jewish leftist he will make it like all right wingers like the great courageous Greet Wilder is a right-wing facist in the likes of the Nazis. Yet he is not. In fact the threats to Jews in Europe come nearly entirely from the Muslim community and the left. It's not rightwingers protesting at Israeli embassies. It's not right wingers that are calling for boycotts of Israel. It's not right winger seeking to break the legitimate blockade of Gaza. It's not rightwingers that disrupt Israel and Jewish speakers and events held in Europe. Check the antisemitic incidents/attacks in Euorpe that VAST majority are commited by Muslims! Even this "Neo-Nazi" gang didn't target the Jews they targetted the Muslim invaders of Europe. Nazis aren't our friends, but the threats we face are 1000 fold more pressing from the Muslims and Left. Two groups at least the Nazis see as great threats to them also!
2. NAZI FOUNDATION WAS POLICE AND DOCTORS
Zimbi ,   NJUSA   (11.22.11)
3. The Germans never changed
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.22.11)
They supported ethnic cleansing and genocide by themselves and now support Arabs to do the same.
4. Europe is a Dino-Fossil
David ,   USA   (11.22.11)
Do we really care about a region of the world that has went from being the center of the universe to a 100 million year old extinct Dino fossil. Europe has very little relevance and its glory days will never come back. Seems that Germany has not changed much and it is still a hot bed of hate and violence.
5. HMMM - !!!.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.22.11)
One major element of the efforts to sanitize Germany's immense past crimes has been to accuse Israel of acting similarly. Examples of this go back for years. Norbert Blum, a former German Christian Democrat Minister of Labor wrote in 2002 to then-Israeli ambassador Shimon Stein referring to Israel's "Vernichtungskrieg" against the Palestinians. This is the Nazi expression for “a war of extermination.” Blum repeated this in an interview with the weekly Stern. Comment - There is none Christian Democracy, because Democracy has not gone through the Cross of Christ, to the Resurectional Power in and of HASHEM. Further - A Murderer is not before HASHEM, clensed in the Spirit from his crime without Blood, either His own or a Redeemer apointed and Accepted by HASHEM. Germany as a Nation, and the Germans as a People, is not Cleansed in Her/Their Spirit/s from Her/Theirs Genocidal Crime. Germany is a Murderer before HASHEM. Arn.Sweden
6. This is just ridiculous.
Salma ,   Palestine   (11.22.11)
7. Many Israelis believe Europe is a Disneyland..
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.22.11)
..for adults - particularly Germany and Scandinavia - countries and regions that have not exactly distinguished themselves of being tolerant and unbiased to Jews and Israel. And this childish naive behavior goes on among many Israelis - DESPITE overwhelming evidence, history and present, that Europe is anti-Semitic. But no, many of my countrymen here in Israel insist we must be "like the Europeans". A nation that looks up their butcherers and forget who they are and wish to emulate others is a nation in self denial and with non existent self respect. Unfortunately many of my countrymen in Israel fit this description perfectly. As I've said before: We can "explain" (as if it would need an "explanation") to the average European that racism and Jew hatred/anti-Semitism is wrong, evil and malign, and that the Europeans can't hide their anti-Semitism behind a politically correct facade of "concern" for the human rights and freedom of the "occupied" and "oppressed" "Palestinians" since there is neither any "occupation of "Palestine" nor any "Palestine" or "Palestinians" - neither in 1967, 1948, 1947, 100, 500, 1000 or 5000 years ago. The Europeans killed us in Europe. Now the Europeans are trying to kill our national identity and history in Israel. It won't happen though. We can't change what's going on in European minds even if we speak the truth - biased and racist minds don't care about the truth and facts. What we can do is to turn Israel into a robust dynamic steadfast stable advanced economy with the most advanced industry, technology and science in the world - in order to make the world depend on us. At the same time, Israel should focus less of it's foreign trade in Europe and focus more on India, China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Russia, USA, Canada, Africa and Latin America - Israel must diversify it's foreign trade and it's already happening. And in order to maintain Israel's high level of education, technology and science, we need to radically and dramatically reform the Israeli educational system since our education is the basis for our survival.
8. Article by Dr Gerstenfeld
Geoff of Geneva ,   Geneva, Switzerland   (11.22.11)
Frankls, Gerstenfeld is talking a load of nonsense. I live in Europe, and wonder what he is getting at when he calls on Israelis to "expose the many ugly aspects of contemporary European society". Why not American society as well?
9. thanks for the stats - I'm off to learn more!
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10. Right on target
Yael Schlichting ,   Raubling - Germany   (11.22.11)
This article mirrors exactly, what I am experiencing here in Germany. I am experiencing this frequently, with numerous different people. On the one side they claim that their parents and grandparents helped Jews and on the other side, they blame Jews to be racist and deeply unjust against the stateless Arabs. If I defend, I am accused of being intolerant. If I deliver proof, for what I say, I am accused of being unilateral. Usually my opponents cannot deliver any proof, for what they say, but that doesn't hold them back from accusing Jews for all the worlds pain. Jews control the world's finances, Jews control the U.S. political system, Jews control the media, Jews cause revolutions, Jews are capitalists Jews stole the Arab land, Jews this, Jews that....... No lie is to bad, to be avoided by these people. They prefer hearsay over carefully investigated and documented arguments. They prefer an opinion over knowledge!
11. Geoff of Geneva
Howard ,   Houston, TX   (11.23.11)
Geoff from S.A.? Saludos!!! Thanks for the Swiiss chocolates in Old Hick.
12. we germans are evil
linda ,   germany   (11.23.11)
Yes we germans are the evil in this world and jews are saints. We have heard it for 70 years now. Everybody believes you so do not worey about your image such article make sure that germanys imahe will never change. Thanks
13. Wrong
RHW ,   Phoenix, Arizona USA   (11.23.11)
Dr. Gerstenfeld, the 19th Century called and said they want their ethnic stereotypes back. These neo-Nazi's are a fringe group, not the mainstream. It's like finding a few criminals in Tel Aviv and saying that Israel 'whitewashes' its crime problem -- when in reality, this is not a representation of Israeli society, nor German society in the case of neo-Nazi's. Stop over-reacting!
14. Soviet Union and Nazi Germany
face the thruth   (11.23.11)
Far more Christians were murdered and enslaved in the Soviet Union than by the Nazis. "This is the history which nobody wants to talk about. Please research it for yourselves, because you'll not find it discussed openly in the media.
15. #1 you're dead on
HaifaGuy   (11.23.11)
This whole article reads like a poorly disguised decoy maneuvre. 10 people in 12 years? Sounds like the Basques or the IRA in their post-glory days. Contrasted by rivers of blood unleashed by the islamic insurgents, these Nazis are a featherweight girl boxing team.
16. German fantasy world
Lazerbenabba ,   London, England   (11.23.11)
If, as it is frequently alleged 'Ad Nauseum', that 0.001% (approx) of the world's population is Jewish and that we control every aspect of the worlds banks, finance, education, science, military, technology, etc., then this would indicate that we are cleverer, brainier and more intelligent than all other human groups and consequently it should be acknowledged that our planet would be a far better place with us in control. This is of course patent nonsense but the vast numbers of thick, racist and anti Jewish hypocrites cannot recognise their back to front beliefs.
17. #12 YOU SAID IT GIRL
URBAN POET ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (11.23.11)
18. 10 Yael
tiki ,   belgium   (11.23.11)
Jews control the world, finance, media, revolutions, illness, heaven & earth etc.etc. Dont go into an argument, but agree! Instead of denying, be proud and 'explain (very politely) that this proves how clever 16 million Jews must be in a world of 7 billion people. That's always my answer and my ""non anti Israel/Judeophobic friend"" is always shocked by it and shuts up immediately. It's not what he wants to hear.
19. #12 Yes, you are evil!
Tahl   (11.23.11)
A first-grade level comment deserves a first-grade level response. If you want to be taken more seriously, try and address the difficult points raised in the article, namely - your country's total whitewashing of its antisemitic past, and your politicians' outrageous comparison between the Nazi extermination of Jews, and Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
20. The fact ...
berlonski ,   berlin   (11.23.11)
... that this Nazi gang makes the top headlines in all big and small German media since days and weeks and that the police and secret services are firmly accused by nearly everyone of having done a terrible job and that political consequences are demanded by all political parties - all this is not exactly a sign for "whitewashing" to me. If you compare the reality here in Germany to this article - it is the article that displays a fantasy world. A few quotes and some numbers of a study don't reflect the reality of a country.
21. A WHOLE generation of Germans saw
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (11.23.11)
Hitler as their messiah and they have never really changed their mind...back down into the depths of their minds, they still BELIEVE in him...and they have forwarded their poison to the next generations...JUST SCRATCH ON THE SURFACE...IT IS ***AMAZING***...
22. Tear down this wall in our heads
Fabian ,   Düsseldorf, Germany   (11.23.11)
I will never understand how a person can believe in a concept of "the Germans", "the Jews" or "the Israelis". There are good and bad people in all countries. It is not a German phenomenon. Stop racism here, there and everywhere! Don't judge a person because of what is written in its passport. Let's chose rationality. Shalom from Germany!
23. Bad side of Germans...
Fred ,   Paris France   (11.23.11)
...is murderous Esav!
24. (22) Fabian
tiki ,   belgium   (11.23.11)
You're so right. But sadly, people & common sence don't mix very well.
25. Lets not use this to hate germans
shaun green ,   pasadena usa   (11.23.11)
neonazis are an absolutely tiny minority. Most modern Germans get along great with Jews and Germany is a staunch Ally of Israel in Europe. Much more so then more racist countries.
26. #6 and 20 Yepp.
Soeren ,   Cologne/Germany   (11.23.11)
Salma/Palestine, you're right. Berlonski, you hit the nail. Gerstenfeld obviously takes a big flight over 60 years of German post-war history and makes a big selfrighteous salad out of a lot of small pieces which in themselves may be right. But a serious author and scientist must weight the details and also pay attention that the overall picture displays reality properly. And in this Gerstenfeld is a failure. In my country we should ask ourselves if we want this sado-masochistic arrangement... Maybe the sixth sub should stay in Kiel.
27.  It carried out 10 murders, 14 bank robberies
split ,   US   (11.23.11)
How can a Jew from Israel point a finger at any nation and accuse of xenophobia is beyond me ,... BTW, what happen to 'innocent untill proven guilty in the court of law' ?,...
28. And how about the Nazis that were found in Israel?
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (11.23.11)
Evil is not limited to one location.
29. #14 murder in the Soviet Union
Marc   (11.23.11)
the fact that Bolshevik Jews were heavily involved in murdering tens of millions of Russians in the USSR does not have anything to do with this article. It is up to the victims families in Russia to publicise the murders and to seek compensation. Its not our problem
30. Nr 14.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.24.11)
Off cause - there where more Christians i the Sovietunion than in Nazi - Germnany. So what ? Trying to shift the Focus eh ? Arn.Sweden
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