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Rabbinate presents: Pork-flavored foie gras
Meir Turgeman
Published: 24.11.11, 14:52
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61. The real thing, and the "kosher" substitutes
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (11.25.11)
In the early 1970s on the way back to the US from Israel, I stayed at a pension in Antwerp that was behind a treif restaurant. To enter one passed a food counter with roast pig in the glass. I never saw anything so gross and could only hold my breath before passing it. A year or two later I was studying in Montreal. One day I entered the small kosher deli in my neighborhood and saw their latest item: a seasoning with artificial bacon-flavoring (Bac-o's, I think they were called). I never bought it; it just didn't seem right. I never lusted after the taste of pork, nor of lobster (as surprising as it was to a then non-observant Jewish girl I was later seeing).
62. #1
Malone ,   Hfx   (11.25.11)
Pork doesn't stink,unless it's gone bad,like any other meat. Not being Jewish,I have eaten many roasts of pork and it is delicious,one of my favorites..don't go by the outward appearance of the animal,which I admit is less than appetizing.
63. Hogwash
Daromi ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.25.11)
Maybe they should "revolutionize" the way they treat women first and stop worrying about the taste of pork. And, they are going to take the word of Spanish farmers? Who from these religious sheisters are going to know what pork tastes like, supposedly? Sounds to me like someone is in line for a kickback from these Spanish farmers, while the Spanish farmers laugh all the way to the Piggy Bank.
64. Hazir
Miriam Assor ,   Portugal   (11.25.11)
How does the rabi knows it tastes exactly like pork?
65. wake up and smell the fat...(MYTHS)
galilean ,   Israel   (11.25.11)
"It turns out that farmers in Spain recently decided to breed geese in non-industrialized pasture lands. As opposed to the modern methods, they didn't fatten the geese, but gave them natural food." This is fantastic news. Not only will we have a high fat meat to render fat from but it will be pastured goose. Amazing. Check non biased research by Dr. Mary Enig about how saturated fats are healthy and important for our general health. Also an amazing book by Sally Fallon, the website of Dr. Mercola, to name a few. Take back your power and take responsibility for you health. Stop relying on myths that we are sold through the food industry that saturated fats are bad for us. The only bad fats are all those new fangled oils that ppl cook with. All refined oils are poison in our system.
66. Excellent! Now he can solve the sidewalk problem!
(11.25.11)
Ok Pork problem solved. Now take care of the mysogynist idiots in Jerusalem
67. #25 - Au
Yael Schlichting ,   Raubling - Germany   (11.25.11)
Well, the "bad" smell only comes if you raise the pig in your backyard and let it wallow in the marsh. The real question is: Why do we have the kashrut?!?!!!! One of my first answers to it was, that I am actually not to question the kashrut. I will take it as is and I will generally not question rules, I might not be too comfortable with. But apart from questioning a rule, it is still interesting to know why the one or the other rule might be around. 1. Pigs frequently are trichinized and hence are a health hazard for humans. 2. Pork quickly spoils. The problem is, that whenever you slaughter a pig you suddenly have a lot of meat and you need to process it and make it durable or you need to eat it as fast as you can. Of course, poultry spoils as fast as pork, but you can slaughter a chicken on demand and instantly prepare the dish from it. The issue is to preserve the meats eatability, which in general is not given in warm/hot regions, if you don't have a refrigerator available. Well, the cold chains of the food industries from some 3000 years ago were not as far developed, as they are today. In fact, we now have working cold chains for a maximum of 50 years. The question is, if 50 years are enough to soften our rules, as it's not so sure, that we will have working cold chains in 50 years.
68. #63
American Sabrah ,   Israel   (11.25.11)
What makes you think women are not mistreated in secular society? Israeli society happens to have a more patriarchal approach when it comes to women's rights. As a woman, I experienced sexism from both the haredi and hiloni masses. Violence against women is not limited to the religious sector. Laugh at that!
69. To pork or not...
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.11)
A rabbi and a priest, flying together to a religious conference, got into a conversation and started to compare notes. Here's the gist of of one. Priest: Do you guys still stick to those kosher rules? Rabbi: “Yes, we do.” Priest: “Have you ever sinned against that rule?” Rabbi: “Yes, once, I ate a ham sandwich and I still feel guilty.” After a long silence, the rabbi. wants to know, if celibacy is still one of a priest's requirements, which the priest confirms. Rabbi: “Have you ever sinned along those lines.” Priest: “Yes, when I was young, I succumbed to the charms of a young lady.” After stroking his beard pensively, the rabbi comments, “Beats hell out of a ham sandwich, doesn't it?”
70. Stinky pork? How'd you know?
Singer ,   Denmark/Israel   (11.25.11)
Some of you people really don't know what you're talking about. Pork isn't any more stinky than any other meat - How'd you know anyway, do you go around smelling pork?! Nevermind, it's fine with us - more pork & bacon for the rest of us! And it tastes goooood!
71. Foie Gras?
Todd ,   Tel Aviv   (11.25.11)
You obviously didn't read the article, it says the geese are NOT force-fed. I would be proud to eat this humanely raised and slaughtered animal.
72. #57 John on my Kibbutz and its great
Eric.... ,   Israel (isreal)...   (11.25.11)
pork too ,the best money can buy.
73. "like" pork
sas ,   israel   (11.25.11)
let's make life easier and cheaper. let's eat the real thing.
74. Eating pork-flavored meat and saying it's kosher...
A good Jew ,   Tel Aviv   (11.25.11)
Eating pork-flavored meat and saying it's kosher... ...is like wanking to gay porn and saying you're straight (because you didn't actually have same-sex sex)
75. i usually don't comment... but this is fine
shlomo ,   lavi, israel   (11.25.11)
goose is and always has been kosher. on the menu there can be an option: goose liver. because of this article we all know that it has a unique taste (from one of us who keep kosher), and out of simple curiosity i will order the goose liver because i am allowed to eat it and it apparently has a very good taste. if i don't like it i won't order it again. and if i really don't like it i won't finish it and will order something else. not something to have 75 comments over
76. To No.55, Henry
Gabe ,   Canada   (11.25.11)
The Rabbi's key word is "Exactly". He did not say "Apparently", or "According to others", as he should have.
77. #74 a good jew
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (11.25.11)
Vegetable CHOPPED LIVER may look somewhat like the real things, taste will tell that it isn't Ditto for this pork flavored stuff, if someone wants to deceive themselves into thinking it's the real thing, it's their hallucination, not yours or mine
78. pork
colin   (11.25.11)
The chief rabbi has a new profession-- HE HAS BECOME A TURKEY MEAT SALESMAN. Anybody want a piece of turkey ?? And just in time for the american thanksgiving celebrations. He stands to make a fortune.
79. I agree with #29
Dr Yeruham Leavitt ,   Kiriat Arba, ISRAEL   (11.25.11)
#29. "Jews should be vegetarians" is quite right. I understand Devarim XII, XX, as saying that when our souls, ie our life, really needs meat -- not just when we have a taste for it -- then we may eat it. I take this as meaning that we may eat meat only when we have no other way to preserve health and life. Personally, however, I have found myself able to successfully eat vegetarian plus eggs only in India, where they have the knowledge and the ingredients to prepare strict veg. In Japan I can do well on vegetarian plus fish. But in Israel I have never found the way in Israel to keep strict veg while maintaining my physically active way of life. Sorry.
80. #76
Henry from New York ,   USA   (11.25.11)
Probably because common sense would dictate he was saying what others felt and so he didn't feel the need to make that point. He may have also said just that but it wasn't printed as it was already said in the body that it was according to the farmers and the chefs. If he did say it then YNet may have felt that they didn't need to make something so obvious even more obvious. As well, It doesn't make sense logically for a chief rabbi to eat pork.
81. Maaret ha'ayn should apply!!! What a shame!
Flavio ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (11.26.11)
Eating chicken and dairy together is taref, not per se but because someone might mistake it for a bassari/chalavi forbidden combination. The same idea must apply here! It really looks like someone is trying to circumvent Kashrut law; on the surface, this goose stuff may be kosher, but its purpose is to be a deception! Believe me: I ate taref until my early 20s and now, stopped then and now, many years later, I do not miss it at all! It is really a shame, al hapanim for everyone involved!
82. why no pork?
hp ,   austin, usa   (11.27.11)
I agree Sidney. Jews and Muslims both do not eat pork for all the wrong reasons. The Christians don't even pretend to understand. What is it they don't get about thou shall not kill?
83. Geese liver
Marilyn ,   USA   (11.27.11)
People have it in their minds that they need fancy exotic things, when they really don't.
84. Goose is kosher, selling it as 'imitation "pork"' by name is wrong
Matisyohu ,   NYC USA   (11.27.11)
85. Rabbi Metzger should be more concerned
Haim, ,   TA   (11.28.11)
Rabbi Metzger should be more concerned with the garbage that comes out of his mouth and not what he puts in to his mouth.
86. So few people trusting this fellow to do his job right
Henry from New York ,   USA   (11.28.11)
I don't pretend to understand anything other than the basics of kashrut, though I keep kosher 99.9% of the time, much less anything about the Talmud, but I still find it amazing that so few people are unwilling to trust a Chief Orthodox Rabbi's opinion on khalactic matters. I assume this fellow would know better than any of us given that it is his job to know, he has probably studied Torah and Talmud for a long time, and there is really no other expert you can consult (Yahweh is not going to to tell us his thoughts on this matter for instance). Just like you trust a psychiatrist on matters of psychiatry or an eye doctor on matters of opthomology, maybe you should trust this guy's opinion on whether or not it's okay to use a kasher substitute? He gave ample evidence as to why it is okay, but I've not seen any detractors present real arguments against his decision. I ate pork once as a very little kid by the way; I don't see why everyone thinks it is so great.
87. Hopefully it's better than awful kosher fake-milk products
Michael ,   London   (11.29.11)
I don't even bother tasting Israeli deserts made from fake milk because they're just plain awful compared to the real thing.
88. Pork smells delicious! Have you never been to China?
James ,   Tel Aviv   (11.29.11)
Chinese are the kings of cooking pork. Chinese food without pork is like middle-eastern food without chickpeas.
89. Treif is as treif does......
Former Treif Eater ,   NY NY   (11.29.11)
As someone who didn't observe kashrut in my youth....I can tell some of the "Einsteins" here that Pork in its various forms is quite delicious...It doesn't stink! A lot of treif foods...ie Shellfish are delectable and delicious too.... Hashem commanded us not to eat them so we don't. There are numerous "faux treif" Kosher Certified products available that are quite good: Faux meats-Bacon, Sausage, Shrimp, Crab, and Lobster. Other than maaras eiyen, what halachic problems are associated with these problems (providing you hold by their hechsher)????
90. get a grip #1
Rita   (01.13.12)
pork stinks? because you were brainwashed into thinking it is forbidden- what hogwash. Pork meat does not stink, neither do the pigs if kept in clean pens- only dirty farms have stinky pens... as for goose liver tasting like pork and being kosher: is this going to be a 'cheating on G_d's laws, like the elevators on Shabbat? it never ceases to amaze non Jew how 'clever' Jews are, G_d must be either laughing or getting angry.
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