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Defense ministry approves more settlement construction
Yair Altman
Published: 27.11.11, 22:30
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1. Peace Now
Abraham Nachmias ,   Petach Tikva IL   (11.27.11)
You are not important, you just exist because of the press informing about you! No more arab money for you! No more big salaries for working against israel! You are history!
2. Hagit Ofran
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.27.11)
I suggest you find something else to occupy your time with as you are fighting a loosing battle. This is our land & we will build wherever & as much as we need. Peace Now lost its clout a long time ago.
3. Confronting Israel's traitor and enemy: "Peace Now"
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.27.11)
I think we need to start an organization called TRUTH NOW in response to "Peace Now" ("Suicide Now"?) to disclose "Peace Now's" obsession with defrauding the Israeli society and making up nonsense about the "illegality" of Israelis living in Judea and Samaria. Peace Now should study International Law. It is the forceful transfer of one's population into another country's territory that is considered to be illegal. But since no "Palestinian" state has ever existed in recorded human history - not 10000, 5000, 1000, 500, 200 or 100 years ago, not even in 1947, 1948 or 1967 and since Jews move into these ancestral Jewish areas freely, these Israeli "settlements" cannot be regarded to be "illegal". One should certainly ask why Jews can't live there today when the only time in history Jews didn't live there was between 1949 and 1967 - otherwise, Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria for the past 4000 years. One should certainly ask what is the "legality" of Arab settlements in Judea and Samaria.
4. They think we forget
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (11.27.11)
When Olmert and Barak launched Cast Lead to rescue Gilad Shalit from Hamas, it was the foreign funded "Peace Now" organization that did everything it could to delegitimize the IDF and its commanders. Thanks to them, Cast Lead was stopped, Goldstone wrote his blood libel and Gilad Shalit stayed a few more years as a prisoner. "Peace Now": we remember what you did to Gilad, we remember what you did to the children of Sderot.
5. #1-Really?
Tee Bee Dee ,   Denver CO USA   (11.28.11)
I'd like to know the source of your allegation that Shalom Achshav is funded by "arab money". The majority of Peace Now's money comes from Diaspora Jews (like me, I am proud to say)! The Settlement Watch project for which Ms. Ofran is involved is funded - in part - by a grant from the EU. Please, would it be possible to have a debate on the basis of actual facts and not based on silly, unfounded assertions? Peace Now's settlement work is so well respected that Israeli governments - past and present - have often relied on its data. I suspect the real reason that persons such as you scream so loudly about Peace Now is that you don't want to know the "inconvenient truth" it exposes about the settlements. I say, "Keep up your noble, brave work, Ms. Ofran."
6. #4 - Hagit's take on Intl Law
William ,   Israel   (11.28.11)
" I do expect that the law will not be ruled by the settlers" If you expect the law to be ruled by courts, then wouldn't you also agree to adhere to court decisions, like the return of property in Sheik Jarrah back to their rightful Jewish owners. But that court decision wasn't approved by you and Peace Now claimed the court was ruining an Arab homogeneous neighborhood (that just happened to be ethnically cleansed in 1949). Peace Now's position is - Apartheid. The ICJ didn't rule that building in Judea/Samaria was illegal. They only gave a non-binding opinion which isn't law at all. Same to with UNR242 which declared the land "disputed" and not "occupied". Over and over again, we see global bodies making definitive decisions based on Intl Law which work against your position, Hagit. But you still demand the settlers adhere to the law while you continue to circumvent it. Hmmm. I guess it would be futile to point out that the "Palestinians" already gave their approval for limited settlement expansion in the Oslo Accords, wouldn't it?
7. #4: Why then does Peace Now work
israeli 2   (11.28.11)
against the current government? There is nothing to respect in that organization. Nothing. They work against Israel. Is that respectful? Not in my book. #1 is correct. You are HISTORY. Just fade respectfully and without screams.
8. # 5
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.28.11)
Madam, continue living on your dream cloud & do continue dipping your hand into your pocket for what you think is wonderful work by Peace Now. Try reading the talkbacks here to learn the truth.
9. Defense ministry approves more settlement construction
Yonatan ,   Yerusalem   (11.28.11)
Peace Now, the flower people, the people of love and understanding, truth and integrity, thank you so much for your work here in Peace Loving Israel, you have contributed so enthusiastically to the well being of our society. The time has come were your skills and technics would help untold millions like syria, egypt ect, ect.
10. #5 Tee Bee
Shalom ,   U.S.A.   (11.28.11)
"funded by grants from EU"? It tells everything about the anti Israel character of the Peace Now.
11. Now let's talk about not having a "partner for peace."
Michael Steiner ,   Bahrain   (11.28.11)
12. What a weak Israeli government. Why not 119,000 units?
Michael ,   London   (11.28.11)
If anything can be learnt from the Arab conquest of Israel, it's that a mass influx of people changes the demographic and with time, the new arrivals become the natives. You can hardly do that with 119 units. I'd move to Israel and live in such a place if it were affordable, but there's no information service on how to do this.
13. #'s 1 & 2 & 3 Wonderful writing, I right there with you on
Moshe ,   Usa   (11.28.11)
this. B'ruch H-Shem. Moshe
14. Tee Bee Dee #5 wrong
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.28.11)
"Piece Now" admits that over 60% of their funding comes from European and Arab governments, so you are wrong. No Israeli government has ever 'respected' those traitors.
15. To say you are Jewish & work for peace now is to say you eat
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.28.11)
kosher ham and kosher shrimp on Yom Kippur with the explicit blessing of Hashem.
16. Ref. #7:My apologies to #4. It was meant for #5
Israeli 2   (11.28.11)
17. And they wonder in honest amazement
CC   (11.28.11)
why everybody in Israel regards them as abject, most repulsive traitors! One doesn't know whether to laugh or cry, really.
18. #8 Birdi, My Friend
Tee Bee Dee ,   Denver CO USA   (11.28.11)
These talkbacks reflect the truth? Is that so? So far, nobody has refuted my point about funding sources for Peace Now. That's because, with all due respect, my point is correct. My source? Peace Now itself. #3 Talks about the legality of settlement in J/S. We can argue all day about international law, a subject about which none of us are experts. Ms. Ofran in the article we are discussing is referring to outposts previously built without the permission of the Israeli government, and therefore illegal under Israeli law- until the recent announcement by the Defense Ministry. Ms. Ofran IS correct about the outposts' previous status. #4 Rails about Shalom Achshav doing "everything it could to delegitimize" the IDF during Cast Lead. Nonsense. Again, a citation to some article or event to support your position, please. The fact is that Peace Now had always called for Shalit's release. Cast Lead was not stopped because of Peace Now. If you or #4 think so, then PROVE IT, with some citation to facts, rather than to vitriol. #6 cleverly makes a number of points, but omits some key facts. For instance, the "rightful owners" of property in Sheikh Jarrah (to be clear, those who owned land there before the War of Independence) were compensated with other property within the Green Line after that war. Returning additional property to them now would unjustly enrich them in my view. Keep in mind that many Arab residents of Sheikh Jarrah are themselves refugees from other parts of Mandatory Palestine that became Israel. In short, dear Birdi, I have read precious little truth, but lots of vitriol and hyperbole from the talkbacks about Peace Now. Some actual facts would be refreshing. BTW, it's not polite to call a man "Madam", but I can take a joke.
19. Defense ministry approves settlement construction
observer ,   Egypt   (11.28.11)
seriously, are settlements considered non-military institutes? are settlers civilians? what poof?
20. #19 You're right we're all in the army (lol)
David ,   Shiloh Israel   (11.28.11)
We know a few elderly great-grandmothers around 90 years old who live here. Don't let that fool you, one of them is lethal with her knitting needles. As for some of the local babies...I'm sure a few of them undertook basic training. Maybe an officers course, as their parents jump to obey their needs! Seriously, we are partially subject to military law here, following the IDF retaking our land here in 1967. Administrative decisions are basically shared between the IDF and the general government institutions. Hence, it is preferable to establish 'legal' entities here for the sake of the residents.
21. build already. its yours and no one else's. stop playing
hippocrates ,   earth   (11.28.11)
the cream puff
22. # 18
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.28.11)
Eat your heart out dear. Israel is going ahead with the construction of more housing units, whether you like it or not. There aint much you can do about it, is there?
23. # 18. PS
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.28.11)
I am not your friend.
24. 'Peace' Now
DR ,   New York   (11.28.11)
It's interesting that Peace Now loves to condemn the building of homes, but never condemns Arab terrorism. Building homes is a peaceful act, murdering parents and babies in their sleep goes against peace. So "peace" now, if you truly love peace, you need to get your priorities straight!
25. # 24
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.28.11)
Well said. Kudos to you.
26. #20 elderly and kid settlers are abused
observer ,   Egypt   (11.28.11)
the many security men living among them use them as human shields. That would have been legal, if the IDF had "retake" the land in 1967. No single world country recognizes the WB land as not occupied.
27. ''ISRAELI'' SETTLEMENT.
SJOERD RUURD VDV ,   MULTIVERSE   (11.29.11)
IN THAT CASE AS A MATTER OF SPEAKING: SETTLEMENT FOR INSTANCE ON THE MOON. BE SMART TO USE SPACE-SUITS!
28. To nr 26 - You're not an "Egyptian" - I hope you understand.
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.29.11)
..that dear chap. The ancient Egyptians are long gone with the wind. Today's Egypt is a conglomeration of Arabs, Egyptians, Africans, Persians, Turks, Bosnians and Albanians - that's why today's Egypt lacks homogenity, identity, history, authenticity, purpose or meaning. I for a starter do not recognize Egypt as your country - I regard Egypt as a political freak without identity and purpose - a byproduct of British imperialism. Almost all "Arab" countries are byproducts of British and French imperialism and almost all Arab nations lack history, authenticity, meaning or purpose and almost all Arab nations came into being in the early, mid and late 20th century. "No single world country recognizes the WB land as not occupied. " An "opinion" doesn't make your statement true, just, factual, honest and fair. An opinion is just that - an opinion. If you would bother to think for a moment, you would know that Islam and Christianity originate in Judaism and when you read the Hebrew Bible and a dozen of other non-Jewish and non-Biblical ancient sources you will find out time and time again - from Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Canaanite, Philisteene, Phoenician, Edomite, Amorite, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantinian, Arab and Turkish sources about the very old history of the Jewish people in the entire land of Israel - which INCLUDES Jerusalem, Golan, Judea and Samaria and Gaza. Now learn history, get yourself a life (or what's left of it in Egypt) and get off our backs and mind your own business. We are not involved with Egypt's borders so don't interfere with our borders.
29. To nr 19 - Are Moslems civilians - seriously?
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.29.11)
Are Moslems holy cows - serously? Can Moslems commit crimes against humanity and against Jews without ever being held responsible for Moslem anti-Semitic atrocities and violence - serously? Are Arab speaking Moslems really the ancient natives of Israel and Middle East - seriously? Give me proof!
30. #28 Yahweh is everywhere
observer ,   Egypt   (12.01.11)
Where in the Torah of Moses Jerusalem is ONCE mentioned? Warning: Do NOT add to or subtract from the pure words of G-d in the Torah (Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-19, Galatians 1:6-12). The discoveries made by the new archaeology discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders. The most crucial demographic addition to the Jewish population of the world came in the wake of the conversion of the kingdom of Khazaria - a huge empire that arose in the Middle Ages on the steppes along the Volga River, which at its height ruled over an area that stretched from the Georgia of today to Kiev.
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