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Rabbi: Why should Arabs live in Akko?
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Published: 01.12.11, 08:35
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1. Fluff
ExPFCWintergreen   (12.01.11)
Was there a shortage of news articles. This is not news, this is fluff . However, just to add some talkback - (i) This rabbi is a racist. (ii) Did the editors not pick up on the glaring typo at the end of the article when the rabbi calls for turning Arab into an Arab city. (sigh)
2. Eliyahu represents the opposite of Judaism
Daniel Breslauer ,   Gateshead, UK   (12.01.11)
Eliyahu: "a Jew should not escape from Arabs, a Jew should drive Arabs away" Judaism, in fact, says the opposite. Out of the hundreds of real rabbis (instead of sad jokes and/or insults to Judaism like Eliyahu שר"י) I would suggest, for example, that people have a look at the teachings of Rabbi Avigdor Miller for a proper Jewish way of handling such things.
3. incitement & racism are dangerous and evil
(12.01.11)
doesn't the rabbi know the difference between positive uses of freedom of speech and incitement?
4. And how many Arabs have KILLED their own....
Splitting hairs ,   Tel Avivv   (12.01.11)
for selling to Jews?
5. Rav. Eliyahu
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim   (12.01.11)
Rav. Eliyahu is not correct. According to halacha, Jewish Law, goyim should not have "villages" in Eretz Israel and Arabs should therefore not go and live there. Arabs should go and live in Arabia! If you say that this is "racism" than you might as well print that "Judaism is racism".
6. to the Rabbi
david ,   herzlia israel   (12.01.11)
new title for the a rabbi: first nazi rabbi , you are a racist disgusting person. What would you say if they stopped jews from living in London for example !!!!
7. Theocracy rules!
Pinhas Bayit ,   Bet HaKerem   (12.01.11)
How many more steps are we going to take to being a country ruled by our own version of Mullahs? Here is a fine example of a racist prejudiced Jew, hiding behind his so-called religious authority with his title Rabbi. He brings shame to his vocation and shamed to the Jewish nation. But is he bothered? Oh no. He has God on his side, so to hell with our democracy and our laws.
8. What a disgusting individual
1hg1g1f ,   Petach Tikva   (12.01.11)
Shame on him for misrepresenting an entire religious community with his hateful rhetoric
9. incitement laws violate free speech
Susan ,   Israel   (12.01.11)
Whether or not I agree w/this rabbi's, point of view, I must agree with this statement of his: "It's unthinkable that journalists have the freedom of press and are above the law, academics have academic freedom, actors have artistic freedom, every person in this country has some kind of freedom from the law – and only I have to be subject to the law?"
10. #6 jews should not live in London
Yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (12.01.11)
It's called zionism.
11. You know he's right! Enough with wispering it in corners!
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.01.11)
12. way to go keep it up!
my rabbi   (12.01.11)
13. 9 The guilty always point out others also doing wrong
Charles   (12.01.11)
Hey, if everybody's doing it how can it be bad? (Actually it's amazing how a Rabbi so easily engages in moral relativism these days. Or is it really par for the course?)
14. #5 ariel
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.01.11)
And where does it say this in halacha? And whose halacha is this? And where does it say this in the Tanach?
15. Jews can't live in saudi arabia, NO ONE complains do they?
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (12.01.11)
Well no, that is the supposed home of the islamic cult. Well Israel is the real home of the real Jewish religion and all the land was given to the Jews by Hashem. If He had wanted to give it to arabs, he would have put some of them there 3000 years ago now wouldn't he?
16. Nuclear shelters
Sigmund   (12.01.11)
The arabs will need to help the jews build the nuclear shelters for the all the jews and all the islam and other nonjews of eretz yisroel . Syria has revealed the arabic hatreds only the jews can protect the gentiles who want to live in peace with the jewish people in eretz yisroel and even the olam.
17. Remember Moshe
Max ,   Vienna, Austria   (12.01.11)
Dear Rabbi, please go back to see what Moshe Ravenu, or Hillel said concerning the other/foreigner/alien. Defenitely not "Drive them away" - and those were wider aknowledged Rabbis than you are. Thanks.
18. Another comment
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.01.11)
As an example: If Turks don't want to live in a German state they are more then welcome to move to Turkey. If some Left wing liberal extremist self hating Germans don't accept that Germany is a German state they are more then welcome to leave Germany. Why should Israel's Jewishness/Israeliness be any different from the ethnic national identities of European nation states that openly and proudly boast about their official ethnic national identity - despite minorities living among them? It is not the Rabbi who is an extremist but the talkbackers that object to his statements since the talkbackers here are hypocritical self hating post nationalists supporting either the demise of our country or are victims of naive liberal multiculturalism believing honestly that by sacrificing themselves they are doing "tolerance" a favor. And you are doing it in the midst of the wars and conflicts in the Middle East! Recently Egyptians screamed on the streets of Egypt that "soon we will kill all the Jews". It is clear that many Jews are naive, deaf, blind and plain stupid and rejection of the Rabbi is a clear evidence of that. You cannot afford to be tolerant and noble when our neighbors want our death and destruction. But I guess staying alive is "racism" and "theocracy" too - right?
19. like it or not
David ,   Givat Shmuel, Israel   (12.01.11)
Look you dont have to like the Torah but it is very clear on the status of non-Jews in the land of Israel. In sefer Devarim, and Shemot the jews are repeatedly commanded to drive out everyone from the land. Look in the Rambam's Mishna Torah laws of Kings. to #17 try to remember Moshe Rabbenu's fury over the mercy shown to the midainites, he was a big believer in driving away the foreigner.
20. #18 alexander
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.01.11)
Your comment has no relation to the point of the discussion. Germans aren't kicking out the Turks. The Turks know it's a German country (duh). You are the one who is naive, deaf, blind and plain stupid as you post when you haven't paid attention to what the article is about. It is not about Egyptians or Syrians or Turks. It is about arabs who live in Israel.
21. #19 david
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.02.11)
That was when they were first given the land, to make sure everyone knew whose it was. It's the Jews' now, and jewish law says we should be kind to strangers. But you don't have to like that either.
22. BECAUSE THAT (PALESTINIAN AND ARAB) POPULATION ALWAYS HAVE L
SJOERD RUURD VDV ,   MULTIVERSE   (12.02.11)
LIVED THERE AND SO ON...
23. perhaps if arabs and muslims did not speak thusly....
Bernard Ross ,   st anns bay, jamaica   (12.02.11)
..the rabbi would not have spoken thusly. although if is regressive behaviour We have been hearing much worse talk about jews from the muslims and arabs. Why is there a double standard in Israel to prosecute and jail jews for crimes that muslims are swapped for.
24. 22-Sjoerd respectfully that's no answer
David N. ,   Haifa, ISRAEL   (12.02.11)
Well, not always--certainly not. Arab Muslim colonialisation spread their religion and language by military conquest. Non-Arab peoples were Arabized, they lost their languages, religions, and much culture in the onslaught. Unlike British colonialism, which controlled and administered, but did not replace culture, religion and language forcibly or systematically, the colonialists from the Arabian peninnsula "officially" declared and decreed conquered lands and peoples as Arab and Muslim forever. So Sjoerd, no, you can't issue a simple pseudo-answer claiming that Palestinians and Arabs have always lived there. Please don't imply that Israelis living on a coastal sliver of the original Palestine Mandate should endlessly back away from macro- or micro-settlement schemes of Muslim colonialism. Eastern Palestine is Palestinian, Much of Judea and Samaria, and 20% of present-day tiny Israel How much more can we give? I have great Arab neighbours in Haifa, but we do have a powder keg developing here, just as Europe and America do as well.
25. #22 sjoerd
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.02.11)
Wrong yet once again. The Arabs arrived from Arabia (get it?) during the Muslim conquest of the late 600's AD. The 'Palestinians' were the Jews before 1948. At that time the Arabs stated unequivocally that they do not want to be referred to as Palestinian but as Arab. Read some history. Or don't bother and keep posting your fantasies.
26. arabs should go back to arabia?
Danijal ,   Palestine!   (12.02.11)
i realy wonder about solomon and david. calling him/herself "arab" does means being from arabia? no guys, arab is a uniting identity of language. do you realy think that egyptians, iraqis, lebanese, syrians and palestinians are from arabia? those bedouin muslim invaders never settled down in the levante. islamisation was a slow process. till the 1800s nearly half of the population of palestine was christian, and today many inhabitants of nablus are descents of sarmatian converts. get your facts right, than bark
27. 26 - Danijal
David N. ,   Haifa, ISRAEL   (12.03.11)
True, you can use the historically more recent definition of "Arab" to mean non-Arab peoples who have been Arabized through Islam, and through loss of language to Arabic. This sort of spread of culture, religion and language has happened in many parts of the world. But we, the people of Israel, are being told that we stole the ancient nation of Palestine from the Palestinian people. But you are right--much of this area was neither Muslim or Arab until recently. Indeed, Lebanese Christians are not Arabs, and many "Arabs" preferred to be called Syrian or Egyptian. A complex issue, with a long, complex history and geography. Just don't make Jews pay for popular false historical notions. Many of us in Israel know well that Arabs are not somehow evil, and in fact pretty much the main big problems are bad Palesinian leaders, and endless self-serving intervention by Euro-America, Russia, Persia, Arav Ha-Sa'ud. They fund and encouage terrorism and and open ended conflict. So Danijal are you a Jewish Aretz-Israeli (aka Palestinian) a local Arab, Bedouin, 20th century immigrant Syrian, modern post-1960s "Palestinian", a Turkic-Arabic mix? Non-Arab Christian? I don't like hateful rabbis, but I don't like Israel paying for false history,either. We're both here, so let's talk without all the outsiders who don't care about Jews or Arabs!
28. #26 danijal
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.03.11)
The Moslem Conquest, of which you could easily read about should you bother to, began in Arabia (Mecca, Medina,...ring a bell?). It was anything but peaceful and spread from there. Iraqis were forcibly converted. Many peoples converted to Islam in a slow process, but they are well outside the Levant (Indonesia for example). Follow your own advice: "get your facts right, than bark "
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