An Compared opinion of a Goy, as regarding this problem in Sweden. Equality and Gender!. Equal is something that you are, not something you do. The man and woman thus has different Tasks and Missions. Equality is something missing, as defined above. However, the course of a coins both sides are Equal but different in Tasks/Missions. Man and Woman is not comparable, as neither male nor female alone is Man, but both together. The man is King but the woman is the Queen, and each other's Tasks/Missions can not be taken over by the other. True and Genuine Femininity -? - - Certainly it is something great and beautiful with it, Sure, It is Queen-like and a Queen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k9-iOepDPk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg7YoXiKn0 Could this be something - King and Queen - The state and the nation - Swedish Patriotism and Nationalism. The Swedish Patriotism - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2vGBY7nXx8&feature=rela Ted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQhFwSD0o1U&feature=rela Ted The Swedish Nationalism - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGrg0cL3zQI They seem to go into each other!. Can you call Swedish Patriotism for Father Sven, and Swedish Nationalism for Mother Svea? King and Queen. And this definition is thrown away in Sweden by the Leftwingers as something of the Bourgoise. However as acording to the Word of HASHEM, HASHEM makes a differense of Manhood and Womanhood, a picture the Forces of the World wants to destroy. Arn.Sweden.

Kol hakavod to a proud religious woman who is not intimidated by the current fashion of trying to erase the female half of the population from the public arena. As she correctly reminds us, women have a respected role in our religious and public life since the founding of our faith, despite the negative influence over the centuries of the Xstian and Muslim surrounding cultures who portrayed women as intrinsically evil/dangerous to fit in with their aggressive male-dominated messages.

i've seen how the media changes facts just to make datim look bad.

It's not about women singing. it's about women serving, and not food but in the army. Putting the emphasis on women singing is demeaning to women. PS no-one want to stop women singing. They just dont want to be forced to listen, like some of us dont want to listen to Livini.

My tb has nothing to do with the subject itself, but with your statement ".........despite the negative influence over the centuries of the Xtian and Muslim surrounding cultures...." Would you kindly just contemplate that statement for a minute?? Isn't that like blaming your kids, wayward and obstinate though they may be, when your life is not to your liking??? My mother, may she RIP, taught me that, "Unless they can stand you against the wall and shoot you, what others say, think, and do has no bearing on who and what you know you are." BTW, as far as I'm concerned, all religions should be outlawed.

I just want to thank all of these brave woman who participated and wants to make the difference! I hope many woman from haredi sector will wake up and start protecting and objecting the unjustice applied over all the woman by haredi sector.

and so do kosher bus lines.

Many haredi women don't like sitting in the back. Particularly if you're expecting, it can be quite nauseating. And the whole idea of "kosher" buses is an extremist position.

Women DO have the right to sing. But male soldiers who for religious reasons well established in Jewish Law should not be REQUIRED to sit and listen against their conscience and Law. This is what precipitated this issue - a restriction on these men, not a restriction on women. These men should simply be allowed to avoid attending such events because someone else (usually someone secular) "thinks they should". Whatever happened to individual conscience and mutual respect for someone's beliefs?

Request not to liscen to woman singing is a starting point. There are avalaunch of demands waiting in line. for eg. not to serve under lady commander, not to sit in the same row/ or vehicle where woman is sitting, not to use equipments which are manufactured on Saturdays etc. Our army and our society is based on equal rights and these demands will ruin our whole army system. Our army is our umbrella of protection and no one, I repeat no one should dare to cross the red lines and ruin it's existance. These haredi men should be allowed to use ear plugs and that's it. No more unjustified concessions should be given to haredi community.

There is only one thing we feminists are after, and that is to be able to fight along side our men, in any capacity. To insist men listen to us singing is an insult. Stick with the main issue. If we win a battle of singing, when it comes to our main issue, of fighting together, the chauvinists can say that we won here so must not demand more. personally, I'd rather have men singing to me. In terms of feminism it it, at best, a non issue, at worst, an insult.

Segregated buses violates Jewish law?! What a perversion of truth. Segregation on buses does not do any such thing, any more than an ezrat nashim in a Shul violates Jewish law (whether the women are "relegated" to the "back of the Shul". Segregated buses are a PRIVATE LUXURY for those who CHOOSE to pay for it. With regard to women singing in the military: No one opposed it. They rather appealed for allowance for those with religious sensitivities to be allowed to exclude themselves. Given they are following due process to protect their religious sensitivity (which in this case would likely be respected even in the US military) there is no complaint that can be lodged against them (haredis) on the matter. There is no excuse for all this propaganda against the Charedim (those who object to the singing are actually Daati). While they (Charedim) accept upon themselves some robust chumros, they ACCEPT them upon themselves as willing members of their community as guided by a leader they follow. Perfectly acceptable. They do not intend to impose these chumros (or even Jewish halachos) on the general Israeli population, just as they wouldn't, e.g. arrest someone for violating the Shabbos in the privacy of their home, while they may close all gvmt offices on Shabbos. So too, they wouldn't forbid a person from eating 'treif', while they may choose to provide the highest level of kashrus to their armed forces. Either way, in a very short time the majority of Israel's population will be religiously sensitive (despite practice) to the point where they would prefer the changes the Charedim bring worlds more than to be assailed with lies and falsehood day in and day out by their intellectually-dishonest religion-hating leaders. For those who think the Charedim will e.g ban mobile internet for all Israeli's (as they have for their constituents, as the woman in this article implies) have lost all sense of reason, or have no idea who (Charedim) they're addressing. Either way, Israel is and always will be the land of Judaism, a different land from all others. It stands to reason that this Land should be allowed to reflect Judaism, leaving the ENTIRE developed secular world for those who want to live in a secular society. No one is trying to turn Washington DC into a Charedi court, I don't think anyone should be trying to turn Jerusalem into an immoral ROMAN court (as the lies and dishonesty of the above article demonstrates). Most importantly, with regard to respect of women, Judaism is far ahead of most if not all cultures. Segregation does not indicate disrespect whatsoever, nor is it against women. Case in point, a woman expressed insult from an American Charedi businessman who wouldn't shake her hand due to his religious sensitivities (shomer negiya), to which he replied, my wife doesn't either shake hands with those opposite her gender. That cleared things up quickly. The context of anything can be warped and disfigured, we call it propaganda. Good day. May the Torah Jews continue to usher in more harmony for us all.