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Haredi troops: Facebook in, porn out
Yoav Zitun
Published: 06.12.11, 19:16
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2. Web content control? Only 5 TV channles?
Ze'ev ,   Nbg, germany   (12.06.11)
Haredim want to be under control or what? Why a man needs web content control? Why a man need a TV with just 5 channles available? Are they bare of any selfcontrol or what?? I dont believe that judaism means to live in a kind of a religious prison???
3. In all seriousness, everyone of these articles...
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.07.11)
and initiatives would make any outside observer like myself think that the Kharedim are sexually repressed perverts who, given the slightest possibility of temptation, will take any opportunity to go against their teachings. Shouldn't self-control in the face of all those things be key? They should have the strength to be given the possibility of violating their teachings, but choose not to thus strengthening their resolve. If they really are committed to being kharedim this stuff shouldn't phase them.
4. Do you want them in the IDF or not?
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (12.07.11)
Are they in the IDF to surf the Internet, watch TV and listen to "Israeli Idol" auditions, or to perform their military duty? First you complain "they don't serve in the IDF" then you complain that they don't have full access to every porno channel. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH IDF SERVICE?
5. Haredi Internet use
וצחק ,   Highland park,NJ,USA   (12.07.11)
I agree with Henry philosophically, but, if that's the way to get them into the IDF , then I can live with that. Life is all about compromise. Relative to most of their Haredi brethren they themselves compromised by joining the IDF. Meeting them halfway is reasonable.
6. Those who speak of self control
AB ,   TheRock   (12.07.11)
Never heard of 'don't tempt the devil'? Don't worry about their being 'sincerely religious and practicing self control' What one sees in the streets is plenty enough to practice self control.
7. #6 Ever heard of toughing it out?
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.07.11)
If you actually try then you can control yourself. It's like not smoking, drinking or doing drugs (I don't do any of the three) or keeping kasher (which I only break for politeness' sakes on rare occasions such as get-togethers with goy friends where there is no kasher option). It's easy if you are actually trying as I don't have any desire for such things. These kharedim, they're Israelis. Israelis are supposed to be tough, not weaklings. There's bad stuff on the internet. Deal with it. Get a script blocker to keep away the bad ads if you wish or just control your baser instincts.
8. but why they get favoured?
Ze'ev ,   Nbg, germany   (12.07.11)
Meeting them halfway? Well, could be quite OK, but how the idf meet the other drafties halfway? The seculars? The women? For me it seems, that the ordinary people in the army just have to "shut up and serve" and the the haredim get everything offered on a silver tray? How that can be fair?? It is not!
9. Learn the majority of Jewish history
Robert ,   NY USA   (12.08.11)
It is because of everyone elses special favouring, not Haredim. Ever think of that?
10. To Henry and Zeev
Avraham ,   USA   (12.08.11)
I can't get over you guys. I'm a haredi chassidic Air Force Officer. My son is a haredi litvak yeshiva bachur who, as I write this at 0730 Jerusalem time, is now on his way to Basic Training in the IDF in Nahal Haredi. Nothing we do makes pleases you, except if we trim our beards, shave off our peyos, take off our black kippot, and gaze at women, use profanity, eat treif, etc. If we sit and learn all day, you call us parasites. If we go join the military, you tell us our standards of conduct are too prude for you. This revulsion of you towards people like us is utterly contemptuous and pathetic.
11. #10, you misunderstand who I am annoyed at
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.08.11)
My dear sir, as someone in possession a fine beard himself, I would never think of having someone shave off his own. I am not showing revulsion towards you or the kharedim (my father put me off that last summer when he visited Yad vShem for the first time), but rather the way the media is portraying you. As I said, to an outside observer (the people for whom YNet English exists)the way that the kharedim are portrayed, it makes them seem like people who are prone to sin at any moment and must have constant safeguards put in place. It's not your fault that you fellows are written in such a manner. As an American who some day hopes to serve as a doctor in the IDF I salute your service and wish you safety, health and luck!
12. Indeed there are many Ultra-Religious who serve
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (12.08.11)
However, the vast majority of Ultra-Orthodox Jews do NOT serve and many of them do not even recognize the State of Israel and some even call it illegitimate! We have a Deputy Minister of Health who is an Ultra-Orthodox Jew whose party line does not permit him to be a Minister in the Government! You in the USA do not see the daily influence of Ultra-Orthodoxy and even the "regular Religious on the secular MAJORITY of Israel. They demand that they are allowed to practice their way of life by deny the same right to others and many of their actions would be regarded as criminal incitement and even a "hate crime" in the USA! The anger expressed by many at the Ultra-Orthodox is because of their failure to contribute to society but are not shy to demand handouts from the Government and threaten the stability of the Government when they don't get their own way! All we ask is to "live and let live". President Peres put it in a nutshell when he opened the Winter Knesset Session. He said "the Torah commands us to rest on the Sabbath but to work on the other days of the week"! The Torah does not define "rest" nor how we must "rest" and the Haredim do not have the right to tell us how to live our lives nor which bus to take, where to sit on same bus and which side of the road to walk on!
13. Facebook access for IDF
G. Wolf ,   Pittsfield USA   (10.09.12)
There is adult content acessible through Facebook. That will circumvent the software screen.
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