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The truth about 'Palestine'
Dan Calic
Published: 15.12.11, 18:04
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31. Invented Ramallh or Palestenian
Avram Goldsmith ,   Toronto, Cnada   (12.15.11)
In 1696 Ramallah was calle Bet'allah from Hebrew Beit -El , and this is called wright propety theft. Everything you touch in Israel and you finger print of Jews history. You live there as tenant and you time is up.
32. Now we know where graczek's hostility comes from
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (12.15.11)
graczek often posts his venom toward Israel here. Now at last we know its source: replacement theology. So it's not what Israel does that upsets him. It's simply that Israel *is*.
33. Let Us Remember These Truths!
Robert Blum ,   New Albany USA   (12.15.11)
There is NO Jewish occupation! There is only a Muslim occupation of Judea & Samaria, which the Muslims cleverly renamed 'The West Bank', in order to de-Judaize the area in the world's collective mind. The Muslims of Jordan (formerly Trans-Jordan, which England created), cleverly re-named themselves "Palestinians" in the 1960's, and revised history in order to gain world sympathy for their cause, which is the annihilation of Israel, and to teach the great lie, which is, that the Jews stole their land from them! Before Jordan started its war against Israel, they told their Muslims brothers in Jerusalem & in Samaria & in Judea to sell the land to the Jews, because they were confident that they & their co-religionist Muslim nations (Syria, Egypt, etc.), would destroy Israel & so they could thereafter keep the land as well. So they sold & fled & waited for the results of the war. Israel won that war. They recaptured the Holy Jewish land; Jerusalem, Samaria & Judea. They rightfully settled it, even though Obama the Muslim, who constantly quotes the Qoran, (NOT the Bible), demands Israel to stop settling Jewish, G-d-given land. Israel, unlike the Jordanians, allowed Christians & Muslims to come & go freely in those areas. The deeds to the land were and are owned by Jews. They allowed the Muslims to continue living in Jewish apartments & homes as long as they continued paying rent to the Jews. Arafat came along & told the Muslims to be arrogant & not pay! They stopped paying and were consequently evicted. Of course Islam, the revisionist liars, tell the world that the Jews are pushing them out of their rightful land! It is NOT Muslim land, regardless of the fact that the Muslims continue to teach and even believe their own lies! UNESCO has always been an Arabist, anti-Jewish body. They supplied, and continue to supply Islam with anti-Jewish text-books, teaching hatred of Jews and of Israel. They wrongly allowed the Jordanian Muslims who labeled Jewish Samaria and Jewish Judea as the "West Bank" of Jordan. They wrongly allowed these same Muslims to perpetuate a status as refugees, in order to gain great financial support for many decades, so that they earn per capita gratis, on U.S. taxpayers backs, more money than do the Egyptians and the Syrians per capita! Moreover, when the Jews whose indigenous countries were Islamic, they were massacred by the Muslims and disenfranchised of their lands and all other valuables. Those Jews, 600,000, who survived were absorbed into Israel Islam however never paid reparations to those Jews, nor did Islam ever absorb these Jordanians who, in order to gain world sympathy, have revised history to teach the ignorant next generations their perpetual lies about a non-extant "Palestinian" history, calling themselves "Palestinians", the name which was created by ancient Rome to label Israel & the Jews, in an effort to assimilate them.
34. It's simple
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.15.11)
anyone that is offended by Newt's comments do not consider truth, or history as relevant to the need for Arabs to have what they want.
35. My very Jewish grandmother's birth certificate says she...
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was born in Palestine. Therefore she is Palestinian too! In other words Mr. Calic I do believe that like Mr. Gingrich, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
36. @ right wing supporters of Christian friends of Israel c #3
I'm ,   here   (12.15.11)
and then you will begin to understand why it isn't a good thing to be friends with everyone who claims to like you!
37. this article is a summary of Joan Peters book....
(12.15.11)
"From Time Immemorial" anyone who sees this as "new" material ought to know that Peters published her book (with her version of history) back in 1982.
38. #12 barry
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.15.11)
Read your own post. "Palestine" existed in the name given to the area, and concocted by, the Romans. It carried through to the British Mandate. You yourself state that the Mandate, and therefore "Palestine" consists of Israel, the WB, Jordan and Transjordan. It was the name given an area, not a country nor a people.
39. To #18
E,M Jordan is Pales ,   SF   (12.15.11)
No doubt the Israeli have treated the bunch of terrorist much better than Jordan in 1970 and Lebanon in 1975 and Kuwaiti in 1991and Hammas in 2007, by the way dose the Arab Palestinians have the rights of citizenship in and Muslim nation and if they are really cares about Arab Palestinian then why treat them like strangers and why those Muslim nations dose not trust them, We can forgive the Arab for killing our children’s, We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children’s ,We will only have peace with Arabs when they will love their children’s more then they hate us.” Golda Mier
40. #3 graczek
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.15.11)
Following your 'reasoning' that a people should bow to whatever the next people say is the will of HaShem, you should now be Muslim, as the muslims say that only they are the followers of the true Allah. Neat.
41. AMEN!!!
D   (12.15.11)
42. No To Palestine & Their Refugees
ACortez ,   Anaheim, CA, USA   (12.15.11)
Don't worry Israel as soon you will have an American President that recognizes the truth. The Arab Spring is about to be drowned out by the American Spring in 2012. Be strong and don't allow another christian or muslim take another inch of your land.
43. Palestine is just a name given by the Romans, it's the
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.15.11)
people that matter. The area was called Judaea, the Levant, Outrider (or something along those lines), the Holy Land, for a long time, and, starting in Roman times, Palestine (as an attempt to annoy the natives that remained). It doesn't really matter. The thing that matters is the people. Like I said, our people have been there in one form or another since the beginning of history (written record) in that area, as well as pre-history.
44. #18, Shimeon Bar Kosiba was apparently pushed by his rebbe
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.15.11)
to lead a revolt. I don't remember how he managed to organise people to revolt against the Romans, but he did. He adopted the monicker Bar Kokhba, and then of course man aged to fail miserably as a result of being outnumbered and lacking a good strategy. The view is starting to emerge today that rather than being a hero, Bar Kokhba was a fool who started a revolt at the worst time possible and only succeeded in getting many jews killed and getting those of us that remained banned from Jerusalem.
45. #6 Invented
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.15.11)
I couldn't call you Palestinian, since a self-ruled Palestine never existed Be a good fellow/gal, don't make us exert the effort, simply supply the specific link to what you had referenced to It is rather hard to live with each other, since the PLO Charter & Hamas Covenant, both call for the destruction of Israel & its people
46. #13 Barry, Boston
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.15.11)
You should know better, nobody, but nobody takes Wiki seriously, not even Wiki Read their disclaimers on every page Anyone, including you or me, can get into Wiki to change, add or delete anything we have a mind to
47. #22 Nour - Not in your nightmares
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.15.11)
I suggest you hold your breath while waiting
48. #6 invented
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.15.11)
I cannot find any information on the AJC website that refutes the facts noted in this article. What I do see is AJC condemnation of the "Pals" unilateral moves in hoping to avoid an agreement with Israel. You do exist as a human being. But your name was invented as admitted by some of your leaders. Or are you taking the word of the AJC [assuming it exists as you say] over your arab leaders? I agree with your last sentiment: Israelis and arabs need to find a way to live togother not to cancel each other. First steps would be the cessation of terrorism, murder, rockets, etc; changing the education of your children [as required in the now dead Oslo Accords]; and enough respect for Israel so as not to insist on drowning it in "refugees", most of whom have never set foot there. Simpler than you think.
49. So what are the liars again?
John ,   NZ   (12.15.11)
Abbas, Obama, Clinton, Ashton, Blair, All Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Norway, Iceland....etc. All these people and states have the insane notion that a lasting peace can be built on lies.
50. Gingrich
ron paul   (12.15.11)
40% of republicans are Christian fundamentalists. Gingrich said this stuff about Palestinians in an attempt to get that group of voters behind him. They are already wary of Romney because he is a Morman. If Gingrich is elected it will be business as usual regarding Israel . All of this is moot anyway because Ron Paul has captured the mood of the nation and will surge to victory in Iowa in a fewv weeks time. He favors getting the USA out of the ME entirely.
51. Addition to #43
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.15.11)
Whoops, forgot one of the most obvious! Eretz Israel of course. Today many of us recognise it as the State that owns the land there - Israel.
52. #22 yeah and no state Jordan, get moving!
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53. #59 Ron Paul, the real one, you're a fake
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.16.11)
Is an Isolationist, who believes in the fantasy of Fortress America in this day and age,when such a state of existence is impossible, since America gets much of its needs from other countries, especially oil Every Politician, it doesn't matter what party or who he is, speaks to gain the crowds favor, otherwise he's wasting his time speaking The McCoy Ron Paul, will never capture the nation, that's yours and his impossible dream Gingrich will, if he's elected, will do what 63% of the American population wants, their Government to favor Israel, the people have spoken, look at the latest Gallup Poll, 63% in favor of Israel Unlike Obama, who ignores the will of the people and goes merrily on his way to disintegrating America
54. Origins
Moshe ,   Netanya   (12.16.11)
As early as 1975, a bunch of Arab students called them selves Filistinians (not "palestinians"). In Eastern Europe, Jews often were called "palestinians". In Russia and Poland there were told "get of our land "palestinians". Of course, Arabs have absolutely nothing to do with this word. Little more than 100 years ago, Jerusalem was mainly Jewish small town (60% Jews). As to Ramallah, it was a small village established by Christians. As to Naples (sometimes called "Nablus") it was built by Jews ais called Shhem. Where is the country of "West Bank"? How is it called in any other language?
55. To: No. 13
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.16.11)
No one is arguing that Palestine did not exist. You have completely missed the point. It never existed as a nation. Ever. The Jews are the true Palestinians. You need look no further than Ottoman census records and the records from the British Mandatory period to realize that. Arabs were always identified either as "Arabs" or as "Bedouins." Only Jews were considered Palestinians. Predictably enough -- with no history or legitimacy of their own to claim -- the ersatz "Palestinians" of the present day have simply co-opted the Jewish identity. It's what they do. Invent a non-existent history; steal an identity -- how very Bedouin for a nomadic people who come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert. It would appear that they have run out of lies to tell.
56. To: Raymond at No. 32
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.16.11)
Agreed. I find it rather nice that Graczek will go to his grave -- doubtless after an apoplectic fit -- knowing that Israel continues to thrive, while the ersatz "Palestinians" continue to scramble about, going lower and lower on the evolutionary scale with each passing day. Oh well. In the immortal words of Mick Jagger, "you can't always get what you want." Graczek is destined to burn in the hell in which he so devoutly believes. That's a good thing.
57. Lies abot Palestinians
Avraham ,   Jerusalem   (12.16.11)
Public declaration of Mr. Gingrich and explenations in this article, with which (both) I agree 100 percent, come too late. Two years ago I tried to explain the same in my letter to JP, but, it seems, it was too provocative to be published?! In it I had also stated that the British mandatory "Palestine" and all what was understood by that name, definitely died and went to the history on November 29, 1947, the same as it happened to the former Yugoslavia in the ninethies of the last century. It should have been reacted against the lies about the "Palestinians" many, many years ago! Now it's all too late.
58. The Palestinians were the Jews
Zev ,   Israel   (12.16.11)
The British declared Palestine as the Jewish homeland and the only ones that agreed to have the name Palestinian in their identity books were the Jews. The Arabs refused to be called Palestinians and claimed they were Arabs.
59. WHO INVENTED "PALESTINE" ?
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (12.16.11)
I think the most important element to create the word of palestine was the gigantic propaganda apparate of the Sovietunion. After the defeat in the six day war the soviet communist leadership was angry, and they used every means to strenghten the arabs. So they begun to use the word palestinian, again and again in their propaganda. Finaly , the whole world accepted this false and unhistorical term.
60. Palestine is as fictional as Oz and Neverland.
Chaim ,   Israel   (12.16.11)
The author is absolutely correct. It's way past time Israel stopped paying homage to the myths and lies about Palestine. Palestine is as fictional as Oz and Neverland. However, while tales of Oz and Neverland amuse small children, tales of Palestine are intended to justify the destruction of Israel.
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