On the other hand the IDF is suppose to protect the Israeli public and defended against their enemies.The government is using the IDF to prove a point " who is in control" and at the same time adding fuel to the fire. Someone should be held accountable and I believe it is BARAK.The public voted for the Likud and the defense minister should be from the Likud and not a Lefty driven monster. get your business together

Senseless slander works both ways Noah, you're a slanderer and so are the owners of this website.

The "insane" ones are those who believe that while Israel is totally surrounded by Islamic crazies who cant wait to kill Jews and push Israel into the sea, that somehow it is a good idea for the IDF to purge free Jews from living in Jew-day-uh and Samaria. No wonder the hilltop youth use Nazi imagery at those who seek to do to them what the enemy would do! The Islamocrazies want the Jews out and so do the leftist leadership in the government. When you see your government behave like those who seek your demise....it brings out desperation. Those who remember what "dissengagement" brought. Do you not see Mr Klieger the rockets from Gaza and the 40000 missiles on the Latani? Why wouldnt the people fight this time?

Syria, Egypt, Libya..... What the hell is wrong with this country? Defense and IDF command who give these orders must BE DISMISSED.

in the middle of the night !

and what about leftists calling Israel as nazi ?

We are losing our way. We need to wake up and smell the roses. Our hatred is starting to erode the very soul we were trying to protect. We need to change. We need to extend our hand across the border. Im not sure when we started to lose our way but it might have been last Tuesday when I forgot my medicine and syphilis has such an effect on the brain that I think I need to get a refill on my prescription.

Interesting comments. Did you condemn Yeshayahu Leibowitz who started using the term to described the IDF? Or is it OK to call the IDF Nazis if you are a Leftist ?

G-d bless the giborai Israel living in Judea and Samaria. The are the backbone of the country and the army. Without them all the settlers in Tel Aviv would be slaughtered.

when moshe zimmerman of hebrew university called the children of the giborai israel in Judea and samaria nazis, noah did not complain!

I think you need to quit behaving like the pig you are and quit posting under a name you could never possibly live up to. You are a coward hiding behind the name of a woman.

Mr. Klieger is a holocaust survivor who knows what he's talking about.

Noah, When "god" trumps democracy and fanatics take over the debate, this is the result. Remember, the war between the Jews was no less fierce than the one against the Romans.

Hey but ignore left wing incitement and violence.

I am sick at reading some of these posts. Do you know what Nazis did? Do you recognize the difference? It seems not. As angry as you may be at the Israeli government, as horrid as you think it is, it does not shove Jews into cattle cars to be slaughtered. You may want to use the imagery, but the reality is different. To live in Israel which hopefully will protect Jews from another Shoa, and call fellow Jews Nazis, gives others the right to call you (and all Israel) the same. To condemn antisemitism and use the epithet Nazi against Jews negates arguments against antisemitism. We Jews are known for having a long memory. Have you already forgotten? Or don’t you care? For shame! Titbayshu lachem! Your ancestors, many of whom were killed by the Nazis, are rolling over in their graves.

In a civil discourse, one tries not to copy-cat your opponent. You try -your years of contemplating the reality in Israel should have tought you os its pluralistic make-up-to advance the same 'abhorent' arguments as the other side. Your terms of referrence realy caal upon expectatios for a "Civil War". Well that is the kind of outcome one might conclude from not too civil answer. You give what you get, Rambam beg to differ withose who didn't appreciate Aristo: Rationalism.

And I think you need to stop insulting everyone who do'snt agree with you.

The confrontation between so-called hilltop youth and the I.D.F. is tragic. The vast majority of both groups are sincere and dedicated patriots. Both groups should work together. Not attack each other. The source of the problem is the criminal orders given to the I.D.F. to deport law abiding, patriotic Jews from their homes. These evil orders are imposed on the I.D.F. by powerful leftists; against the wishes of an enormous majority of Israelis. The real source of the problem are these criminal orders and the political domination of Israel by a tiny minority of far leftists. End leftist domination and the criminal orders and all these problems will quickly vanish.

This isn't a matter of someone not agreeing with me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. This is a matter of someone pretending to be someone they are not. How would you like it if I posted some silly assed comments and said I was "Jonathan, MN/US" ? It wouldn't be right and I wouldn't do it. I don't expect other people to do it either. When they do I'm going to call a spade a spade and if that insults them , too bad.

...people who take this board too seriously need to go outside more.

Perhaps, but it's cold and wet outside here on the Left Coast right now.

I think you assume more people agree with your opinions than actually do so. People who attack soldiers, break into and army base, etc., are not law abiding, no matter what the reason for their actions.

From the Israeli side, the extremists are not the soldiers (even if there are some black goats just like in other armies) but the radical settlers, who do not hesitate to be aggressive towards innocent civilians and simple soldiers. I am not anti-sionist but anti-ultrasionist. There is a clear difference.

Dont worry, it's called freedom of speech. Even settlers have it. Oh in case you don't know:Freedom of speech exists exactly so that people can say stupid hurtful things which are not true. They may think differently, and may think you are the one saying stupid hurtful things that are not true. That's what you get in a free society. It may not always win beauty contests but it's really the better system.

as far as i know settlers are extremely supportive of the idf a large majority serves in it, so its rediculous and hateful to besmirtch a whole group of "settler community" because of a few hilltop youth. besides why dont we hear the same about the left radicals violently demonstrating and many times hurting idf soldiars?! double standard, dont you think? watch what leaves your lips!

The hill top youth are nothing but a bunch of brain washed zombies who now include terrorism in their daily activities, attacking IDF bases. Its time to treat them as terrorists, we can start by bull dozing their homes down while they server jail time.

supporters of a jew-free palestine while arabs live in israel are a new kind of enemy needing a new name

To me, freedom of speech is not the issue. Having the right to say hurtful stupid things doesn't mean it's right to do so. Calling Jews 'nazis' is way out of line. Legal. But way out of line and shouldn't be done.

Chaim (#19), Orders given to the I.D.F. by the government are, by definition, not criminal. The government, and only the government, is authorized to instruct the army. A quick glance at the makeup of the current government reveals no "far leftists." "An enormous majority of Israelis" is not made up of you and the people you know. I doubt that you have any ides what a "leftist" is, unless by leftist you mean anyone who disagrees with you about anything. The world you describe is a terrifying one, and I think you are frightened.