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Don’t shoot the settlers
Hagai Segal
Published: 17.12.11, 14:33
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31. #15 Rule of Law
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (12.18.11)
The Jewish protestors were less violent than the Bedouins who protested house demolitions a few months ago and less violent than the Leftists at Bilin and Naalin, none who have been jailed and none which Saguy called for executing. Shooting protesting civilians like Uri Saguy demands (and Talkbackers 5, 24 and 25 support) is illegal, and is the same internationally-recognized crime which lead to Gadaffis execution.
32. Marcus #29
R ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
You left out over 50% of the current population - Jewish refugees from North Africa and the Mid East.
33. #29. Marcus: Holocaust=Eastern Europe
Tom ,   USA (E. EU)   (12.18.11)
Holocaust survivors were E. Europeans, Russians and their descendants populate Israel today. The persecuted "Dhimmi" Eastern Jews and the victims of pogroms of the Czars equally deserved a homeland -- for they can be aptly called as victim of antisemitism which probably motivated your inane, inaccurate post. Based on your logic, you are probably supporting the creation of "Aztlan", a Spanish speaking homeland -- carved out from the U.S. South West-- for the indigenous non-Anglo people. Or only the Jews are on your hit list?
34. We are different
ZionBill ,   Occupied territory   (12.18.11)
Someone above compared Israel to its Muslims neighbors, and then compared the settlers to the more extreme Muslims. No, sir, you are incorrect and the reason is obvious: Muslims follow a false god, we follow the true G-d.
35. 11. Anbd from the comfort of your US armchair
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (12.18.11)
Where you doubtless argue fervently about how we live our lives, not having paid our taxes or saved in our army in its wars and how you know about us and about hatred, about love of country and sacrifice for it, and how those who have been supported by us, paid for with our taxes, protected by our misguided government and our army - the one I served in with pride and in defence of my country- who have now turned against us all - they we should treat as our friends and welcome them when they mete out violence. Stay where you are Tom, far away from us and our reality.
36. Shooting or NOT Shooting Jewish settlers
MOSHE ,   kiryat yuval   (12.18.11)
I believe in God that created the world , the universe, all parallel universes, the tiny atom and its parts, light, etc. I think there is good reason to believe that God created it all, interceded in human activity...BUT at some point God left us: the Jews and the goyim to work out the rest by ourselves. God is just watching and will NOT interfere. One proof of my "theory" is the Holocaust and the many wars "just and unjust" that mankind has "accomplished". In light of my "theory", I find it difficult to understand: Why in the time of Israel's struggle for existence "righteous Jews" and "non-religous Jews" each think as narrowly as they do. . ..when danger to Jewish lives, and to Israeli Jewish lives is rife. Jews are not stupid...but I am beginning to wonder ! MOSHE
37. ''ISRAEL'' AND IT''S LEADERS-SHIP.
SJOERD RUURD VAN DER ,   MULTIVERSE   (12.18.11)
AND IN THAT CASE ALSO LEAVE THE BEDOUIN AND THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE IN PEACE. AS EVERY OTHER PEOPLE (IN THAT REGION.).
38. #35.Ussishkin: for your education
Tom ,   USA   (12.19.11)
I was born in an E. Eu. ghetto during the Holocaust in 1944 when the Arrow Cross shot my relatives into the Danube river. I survived as child. I have first hand experience when your Haaretznik comrades lauded the Soviets against Israel during '67 war, your leftist, Stalinist agenda is an open book for us who lived under your and Gideon Levy's dream. Your homeland is in Birobidjan E. Siberia, the Bolshevik Jewish homeland: ביראָבידזשאַנ
39. #15 good words
Borislava ,   Sofia, Bulgaria   (12.19.11)
#5 if many others think so, Israel does not need enemies. Jewish should not attack each other nor with stones nor with bullets. #18 the creation of a Jewish "homeland" in Jewish Autonomous Oblast is as cynical as the Madagascar Plan. Both are equally far from Jerusalem. #29 State of Israel was established for all Jews and belong them historical and factual.
40. #38 I am very sorry for your broken childhood
Borislava ,   Sofia, Bulgaria   (12.19.11)
and the loss of your relatives. I wish you health, emotionally and physically.
41. to #29 a history lesson
Golan ,   modiin   (12.19.11)
Israel as a Jewish state was created in 1920 in an agreement between the Arab leader (Fizal) and the Jewish leader (Wiseman) It was also created as a part of international law in 1920 by the San Remo conference (which also created Syria and Iraq) if memory serves me well... that is about 18 years before the holocaust. But what do I know? facts.
42. 38. Poor sad fellow.A very convenient revelation
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (12.19.11)
And this you reveal only after pouring your verbal sewage on anything Lefty. I am the child of holocaust victims from France. I have defended my nation in wars and I have first hand experience of how your comrades the settlers abuse IDF troops and call them Nazis. You are better off staying in your US comfort zone stuck in the dreadful time warp of your past. But none of that allows you to dismiss either the reality of others' experiences or justify the illegal behaviour of enemies of the state which has given them their very subsistence. And for your information and to enlighten your sad narrow ignorance I am politically not Left at all, inconvenient tho' that may be for you and your insulting and false allegations.
43. #40. Borislava, Sofia
Tom ,   USA   (12.19.11)
Thank you for your kind words. During Communist rule I traveled many times to Bulgaria and I have wonderful memories of your friendly people.
44. Ussishkin et al.
davidd ,   teaneck, NJ USA   (12.19.11)
Ussishkin made the mistake of making the title of his post "Shoot the settlers," and I hope he only meant those who attack IDF troops. If so, his detractors are out of line, and his posts themselves seem to imply that. If not, he is out of line. Shouldn't the law be equal -- violent attackers of the IDF, Jewish or gentile, are laible to be shot in self-defense. Those peacefully demonstrating should not be, regardless of religion/ethnicity. What is upsetting is that those who feels the settl.ers should be shot are the first to decry instances of Palestinians who are shot in identical circumstances, and vice versa. sad,
45. Ussishkin #35 and #5: It seems
Robert Haymondg ,   Israel/Canada   (12.19.11)
reasonable that someone from Tel Aviv would make such negative remarks about those of us who reside east of the Green Line. The latter is not a border but a ceasefire line. And those referred to as "settlers" are Jews with a purpose, tough and proud Jews whose effort for combat duty for the IDF is the highest in the country. These "settlers" whom you demonize protect your cowardly a** in the comfort of your home in Tel Aviv. Perhaps you are envious that you are not made of the same patriotic stuff produced in the Yishuveem. Is there any self-reflection going on there at all, Ussishkin?
46. #42. Ussishkin: your word says it all
Tom ,   USA   (12.19.11)
Your word " enemies of the state" is coming from straight from uncle Joe's (Stalin's) mouth. I am in America because after the Nazis, came your comrades and I was declared as (bourgeois) "Enemy of the State" and put in jail (2 years) + hard labor. I escaped after 12 years and now I try to share my experiences with others on your Leftist paradise so forcefully propagated by Haaretz' self-loather and Obamabots Jstreet Jews.
47. west bank
Ciaran ,   Dublin Ireland   (12.19.11)
remember the good samaritan who where hated by the jews who left for the us,e.g. rahm emmanuel and now you want it back,too late stay behind your own self imposed border wall
48. 45 Why don't you read my replies instead of running off
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (12.20.11)
at the mouth. What defence of me are you responsible for? You twist and pervert both the truth and your version of your God-given ideology to justify the unjustifiable. You don't even defend your settlement. We pay taxes for the IDF to send troops to defend you, from the Palestinians whose land you stole to settle on and then you need defending from them. What a twist of logic you perform and you have the temerity to call me a cowardly tachat. I defended this state from enemies before you even knew what occupation meant. The cowards are you for taking from us and then spitting in our faces. I passed the test of patriotism in the wars I fought. You're making yourself out to be a Zionist. You don't know what Zayin really means. Protect? You take and take and twist all in the name of a God you invented.
49. 44 45 46
Pinhas Bayit ,   Bet HaKerem   (12.20.11)
I am a proud orthodox Jew disgusted by the disgusting language used to dismiss someone who is a patriot and proud citizen. To 44 its obvious Ussishkin means those who attack the IDF should be punished. To 45 you make me ashamed to be a religious Jew. Your words are a Chilul Ha'Shem and you are the opposite of God- Fearing. To 46 I am sorry for you sir, you are obviously unwell and I wish you Refuah Shleimah.
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