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Europe's Islamic future
Giulio Meotti
Published: 18.12.11, 12:27
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31. No Matter
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem   (12.18.11)
Regarless of their religion Islam those moslems in Europe had better remain loyal to the European countries that gave them a new , free and democratic home . And when loyal to their new countries those moslems will have to serve in the army of the EU countries and one day they might have to to go to war against their moslem brethren elsewhere... !
32. No Matter What
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem   (12.18.11)
Regarless of their religion Islam those moslems in Europe had better remain loyal to the European countries that gave them a new , free and democratic home . And when loyal to their new countries those moslems will have to serve in the army of the EU countries and one day they might have to go to war against their moslem brethren elsewhere... !
33. #6 You are a big lier
Ali ,   Jordan   (12.18.11)
"the prostitution business is managed by islamic mobsters and white slavery is financed by Hamas" PROVE THAT. you won`t be able..what a hateful you are!!
34. The TIME MACHINE
George Brown ,   New York   (12.18.11)
I think it was by george orwell: The black monsters used to feed the blond (europeans) toeat them - that will be the fate of blond europeans - you have an open doors policy - you end up like american indians. Have fun!
35. When people do not want God
Rube the Tube ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
When people do not want God (as in Europe) they get the Devil. - This could have any form; communism, fascism, materialism, egoism. Now it comes as Islam which is going to suppress Christians and Jews. Already now in the fairy tale country of Denmark believing Christians are being persecuted by muslims. There is only one answer to Europe's problems of the dangers of islamisation and that is to repent and return to true Christianity, i.e. to follow Christ.
36. Thank you Giulio Meotti for another outstanding input!
Mina ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
As a Jewish/Israeli who has lived in Europe and other parts of the world, I cannot agree more. A growing number of Muslim/Arabs in Europe and other countries seem to attempt to impose what they have (or their parents) allegedly ran away from, bcak in their dictatorial and intolerant home countries. This is tragic and unsafe! This is particularly worrying to women and girls who do not have equal rights under many Arabs/Muslims societies. Furthermore, a strict Sharia Law, should not and cannot become the common law anywhere in the world. Freedom and human rights (particularly for women and girls) do not seem to be compatible with strict Muslim/Arabs traditions and laws. Many people in Western and other societies have sacrificed much in the past generations in order to gain freedom and human rights, we cannot and should not give it up!
37. #9I've done my share: in a moment of insanity I produced one
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.18.11)
child, so our contribution is -1. (2+2=1) I'm sure you got it :-) Being an only child myself I can rest my bones knowing that "I didn't do it!". Crazy as it sounds, at the hight of technological surge forward what is looming over our collective heads is pure, 7-th century madness. That combined with the financial turmoil spells "disaster" (in my book). But let's hope for the "unknown unknowns" - as the wise man said:-))
38. Call the Quartet into action to save Europe.
Chaim ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
Instead of constantly interfering with Israel; call the Quartet into action to save Europe. Europe is far closer to home for the Quartet than Israel. Moreover, Europe may actually want and need the Quartet. Israel certainly doesn't. Since the Quartet is so deferential to Moslems, it has little to complain about when Europe is ultimately forced to live under Sharia law. It's called poetic justice.
39. !NEWS FLASH: I have just read, that many Danish schools are
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.18.11)
dropping the Christmas-related ceremonies in order not to "offend" the "other-thinking/believing" members of society... They won't even know what hit them, poor cretins.
40. The Irony of Muslim Growth in West
Lolek ,   Toronto, Canada   (12.18.11)
Milions of Muslims are desperate to escape the poverty and oppression in their homelands. If they continue their path of trying to impose Sharia in their places of refuge, there will be nowhere for them to find sanctity and freedom. Hopefully Sharia creep will be sufficently slow that I will not be around to see it.
41. #26. Raymond: Correct reasoning
Tom ,   USA   (12.18.11)
No need to have the majority in EU-USA for the Islamists: all they need is to reach "the critical mass" when the PolCorr. intimidated citizenry simply succumb to Muslim demands. It's happening now both in the EU and USA. Any protesting voice will be silenced by a string of draconian "speech laws" and the --power--that--be-- shall protect and promote further Islamisation. Then comes the Darwinian play which is valid in societal setting too. No ideology can survive which is based on irrationality: Fascism, Bolshevism, Islamisation eventually end up in collapse, most likely by violence, including civil wars. W. EU. will fall first like Rome did and E. EU will resists like did Byzantium.
42. Conflicted!
Koose E Mack ,   NY NY   (12.18.11)
As one who has many Muslim Americans as close friends and colleagues; I see the threat from both sides. I am by no means a "Leftist" or "Liberal";' I am an ardent Zionist and make no bones about demonizing the Palestinian Hoodlums: Hamas, PLO, Fatah..and all Islamo Fascist scum ie Hezbollah and Al Qaida.. However, I refuse to condemn and demonize all Muslims. I agree that a majority of the younger generation of "Moderates" want to live in a free and Democratic society run by non religious governments. Let's pray that there is light at the end of the tu nnel for peace in the world?
43. Rube the Tube #35
Steve   (12.18.11)
You say non-Muslim Europeans should repent and return to "true" Christianity, i.e., follow Jesus. But Christian Europe for centuries claimed to follow Jesus even as they persecuted Jesus' people and did unspeakable things to Jesus' people, culminating in the Holocaust; the systematic murder of six million of Jesus' people. Where was Christian Europe during this mass-genocide of Jesus' people? Where were the English Christians and the French Christians? Now, what was once a vibrant Christian Europe, has turned on Jesus people again. Europeans have turned on Israel and Israel's Jews; Jesus' people. Even Christian American (Americans still attend church in large numbers) is working to establish a Muslim state on land that God -- the God Jesus himself worshiped -- swore He would give to the sons of Jacob, forever. Where can this "true" Christianity be found? How can we tell a true follower of Jesus from a pretender?
44. Europe's Islamic future
Harold ,   USA   (12.18.11)
A European couple prefers to have one or two children. A Muslim couple likes to have four to seven children and now you know what I mean. Within one hundred years most European countries will be controlled by Muslims.
45. can't wait,will drink a L'CHAIM when it happens
chaim.s 54th st ,   brooklyn ny   (12.18.11)
i guess this will be their just punishment,for wiping out their jewish citizens 68 yrs ago,and for doing everything in their power to help the Arabs wipe Israel off the map,can't wait to see all their women forced to cover themselves in Burquas,and the men forced to pray five times a day,facing Mecca
46. I often wonder.... (hmm) the way they pray.....
HaHaHa ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
all in rows like that with their tuchasses in the next guys face.... Do they eat cholent on their Shabbes? Personally I wouldn't want to be there.
47. 11 Sagi Populations with religion ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.18.11)
held out since many thousand years till today.Tell me which anthic atheist population made it till the 20th century?
48. #3, Yossef
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You view of the good life Jews had under Muslim rule is a pure fantasy. . Read what Maimonides had to say about muslims as he fled Muslim Spain. Just imagine, in anti-Semitic Poland Jews could grow in numbers from a handful in the 12th century to 3.5 millions on the eve of the Holocaust, while in the paradise of Muslim Turkey they never exceeded 100,000. The whole of Muslim world was a home of less than a million Jews, even as the root of those Jewish communities were centuries older. The plight of Jews under Muslim rule has been pitiful, from Muhammad to present and there is no reason to believe it would change in the future. As Muslims see it, their fight against the Jews is religious in nature and Muslim religion shows no evidence that it can change and modernize. While I have no great love for Europe, the prospect of islamic Europe is horrific.
49. John from Idaho
AK   (12.18.11)
The current revolution in the Muslim world is NOT anti- dogmatic islam, but pro- dogmatic islam. Given free choice, those 'good' folk are voting in mullahs and sharia. In Turkey, previously the one secular state with muslim population, the Army kept the country secular. When the Western idiots insisted on 'pure' democracy, good people of Turkey voted in an Islamist party and good by to secular Turkey. Given a choice, Muslim sociaties crave sharia and religious rule to tell them how to live. That's why they don't change while living in the West, but want the West to change to accomodate them and be more like their old Islamic world and at the same time provide material goodies that only Western society is capable of generating. No, all cultures and societies are not the same.
50. Europe's Islamic future
David ,   Germany   (12.18.11)
Perhaps the answer is not to try and stop the Islam (seems like a waste of time) but to change it! The fix will come from within…
51. Islam is on the march thru EU-you all better believe it
Alan ,   SA   (12.18.11)
Those so naive as to believe that in time a more benevolent and secular Islam will evolve out of this lot should go to an Optomotrist as they cant see anything on the streets of Europe. The young generation is more devout than their parents.
52. Good
k ,   US   (12.18.11)
are Jews now trying to ally with Europe? Never forget if it wasn't for the Holocaust and centuries of Jewish persecution, Jews would not be in this mess today Jews were chased and tortured in Europe are they now trying to find an ally in Europe? The HELL WITH THEM
53. #45 you're obviously a fool
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54. To 45
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (12.18.11)
You are partially right, indeed the ocean of blood of murdered jews paralized the post war european states to introduce racially motivated measures against the immigrants.
55. David from Germany -- change from within, how?
AK   (12.18.11)
There is no Muslim reformism movement anywhere in the world. Maybe you have a few of individual Muslims expressing such sentiments but they are few and lack any influence. Please note, that there is a trend for Muslim women to cover up and not to take the covering off, even in the West and previously nominally secular Muslim countries. That should give everybody an idea in which direction the 'reforms' are moving as far as Muslims are concerned. If you are waiting for Islam to liberalize and mellow from within, your wait could take centuries, if ever, and the West simply does not have that much time.
56. # 42
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.18.11)
With a name like yours dont expect to be taken seriously here.
57. Islam is ruled by violence.
Beary White ,   Norway   (12.18.11)
Islam is the danger to the world and should be handled as an illegal religion. What good does it give to the world, nothing at all. And it is amazing they do not understand it themselves, must be the way they are threatened if they do no pray and follow the masses. Islam is ruled inside by violence and death, and terrorising their own people. Truly there is something evil on-going.
58. Meotti hasn't explained why this matters
(12.18.11)
Meotti is a racist. Imagine a story like this about the number of Jews in Europe. Or the number of Africans.
59. To: No. 19
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.19.11)
They're hypocrites because they are afraid to speak up, or act in any way about the fact that the Moslems and Arabs that have moved to their countries show absolutely no desire or inclination to integrate into the greater society, but rather seek to impose their values upon the majority. That is not how it is supposed to work, but the Europeans have grown so fearful of their ever-increasing, vocal and belligerent Moslem and Arab minorities, that they refuse to speak up. How many more cartoonists need to live in constant fear? How many more filmmakers need to die? If you want to live in the West, then you need to conform to Western mores and Western attitudes -- and the Arab and Moslem immigrants to various European countries have not done that. I cannot help but think that perhaps they would be happier emigrating to an Arab and/or Moslem state. Depends on how quickly you can adjust to changing facts, and facts and available information changes at almost lightning speed these days; my opinions folloow suit. Don't get me wrong -- certain things require considerable thought, but those would be more along the lines of moral and societal values. Political opinions can change as quickly as the political reality changes. It has nothing to do with emotion, but rather to do with the constantly-changing political drama unfolding before us. Yes, you may ask. I am forty-four years old.
60. #48 Muslim didn't invent conzlagers
Yossef   (12.19.11)
Christians DID (remember Got Mit uns!) ! And killed 6.000.000 Jews and burned them. My family lived happy under muslim rule in Algeria, and had to hide from the nazi after they migrated in France. You are afraid and distort the reality. Rambam said what I wrote, he has good reasons. He fled Almohades and found a refuge in Cairo. Separim fle Spain and found a refuge i Turkey. Not all the Jews look alike, the same for muslim. The jewish racism anti arab is killing us. We need more Sephardim at the head of the government, we know them, we are a part of them. The american Jews live desperately in a boudist-christian-jewish syncretism what has noting to do with real judaism, in a jewish Disneyland. Come to reality, Arabs are our neighbors and even our cousins. Be a Jew and make peace with them by he sword or by reason. This is our only issue. And stop crying because christians are overwhelmed by muslim. It's not our business, christian never stopped killing Jews. Buid a strong Israel and stop whining. Cooperate with muslim countries, build links, bridges. Make Israel a REAL MIDDLE-EAST STATE, not the last colony of the USA. Choose me as PM and I'll give you the peace you are looking for, plus humus, Shakshouka and couscous ;-) Be Ben Israel ! not the son of a german merchant.
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