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Ragen: Court authorized exclusion of women
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 19.12.11, 20:38
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1. Who forced her to copy someone else's text?
Babishka ,   USA/Mea Shearim   (12.19.11)
Please do not call this plagiarizing thief an "author"
2. Ms. Ragen go make amends 4 being a convicted plagerist...
Watcher ,   Israel   (12.19.11)
we (the honest folk who don't steal other peoples creative work) will be handling the segregation on the bus issue.
3. Ms. Ragen is traumatized by the case she recently lost...
Emily ,   Israel   (12.19.11)
is she going to sue Tanya Rosenblit on copy cat charges?
4. Naomi this is no longer all about you...
Sarah B. ,   USA/Israel   (12.19.11)
it is about the rest of us and our rights. Not about you and your glory seeking nature.
5. LOOK
benjamin ,   singapore   (12.19.11)
1. Israel is not a Haredim Country. 2. Haredim cannot impose their strictness on others.They may apply such strictness on themself not on others. 3. Haredim should not have the upper hand over who sits where . 4. Exclusion on womed is amodety issue.But if these society recognises and respect the modesty of women, women would move freely as they are born to be free and men have the duty to protect women modesty. 5. Most of the haredim treat their women very badly. As such haredim dont hav ethe morals to dictate who sit where in the bus. 6. Lynching should be madea criminal offence. 7.Lynching is a assault- making of apprehension of fear is assault. 8. High Court should have the decency to see the arrangemnet between Transport Ministry and Haredim unconstituitional in international law and order. 9. Women Charter liberates but haredim abuse the very liberation. 10 This matter must be taken to teh Supreme Court.
6. So she can't get honorable attention
Norman   (12.19.11)
from her plagirizing so she resorts to attention by bashing orthodox.
7. Why can't the Haredi walk?
Mike ,   Miami, USA   (12.19.11)
Or ride donkeys? There were no buses centuries ago. Ms. Ragen, Ms. Hoffman, Ms. Rosenbilt and others. The world is waiting to recognize the first Israeli women's' rights activists. Stop letting everything be swept under the carpet.
8. Nothng higher than g-d
Dovber   (12.19.11)
Thats a simple fact and people need to get over it. Rabbinical and Torah law only. A secular government law that contradicts Rabbinical and Torah law has no chance at all. In fact what is being created a massive partition of people in Eretz Yisroel..
9. Women need to just sit there and close their ears, just take
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (12.19.11)
it. The radical crazy nutcase charadi are doing this, not the normal charadi. The cop got on the bus, asked her to move she didn't, the radical charadi lost, the woman won, progress was made. Tough, righteous, modestly dressed women can stop the radical taliban charadi who don't represent the majority of the charadi who can run their OWN buses with their OWN rules when they buy them and put them on the streets. The loudest mouths don't necessarily get their way, the stubborn righteous women do.
10. Letter to Ms Ragen
Fay ,   Israel   (12.19.11)
The way you've used haredim to get to where you are is shameful. I'm a moderate haredi and I am against seperate seating on buses and have spoken against it but you have no right to talk about haredim at all. Your hatred of anything haredi is obvious in your novels. I don't think we deserve this type of treatment from someone who worked with haredim for years, someone who knows first hand that most of us are not as you describe us to be. I also can't believe that what you say is true about the incident on the bus. It seems to me all a ploy to get publicity. Although if it were someone else I would be inclined to believe it. Why? Because you aren't trustworthy. You plagiarised a vulnerable soon to be writer's story, She trusted you as her editor and you used her very own words to get yourself further ahead and then denied it. Well done for your fame and fortune made on the backs of people who only want to do the right thing.
11. Yelling at me ... Just like a lynching
Rube vogel ,   Jerusalem   (12.19.11)
As in I broke a fingernail - just like a broken neck ... Or she exagerates like a Ragen...
12. # 1 - 4 guilty of lashon harah yourselves
Rika Chaval   (12.19.11)
Aren't you ashamed! These cases of segregation won't be tolerated by the israeli public, even the rabbinate is not backing this habit. If you feel you can't sit next to a woman in public transportation, stand, walk or hire your own private bus (and pay for it yourselves).
13. Already know Ms Ragen is a fraud.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (12.19.11)
And from other testimonies we are hearing Tanya Rosenblit might be one too.
14. This is the best action the radical Haredim can take.
daniel ,   Europe   (12.19.11)
Situations like these expose them and they will be pushed back. The more they act out there fundamentalism the more they will isolate themselves. I worry not. They will be screamed at and pushed around soon. They will learn. Please scream at more women. The more the better...change will follow.
15. Drama queen using the High court
Aviva ,   Jerusalem   (12.20.11)
to pursue a personal vendetta, but ignore the same court when found guilty of copying from another author. "Plagiarism is mind rape." Nora Roberts, author of real talent who never copied from anyone.
16. Haredim revolt!
Jack ,   Toronto, Canada   (12.19.11)
The mere fact that we're having this discussion is a travesty. Our founders must be rolling in their graves - including Moshe Rabeinu. This continuous harassment must come to an end. Haredim either forgot or have never really known what it means to be Haredi. Why does it take missiles and bombs killing our kids to unite as Jews. Humanity must win the day within the Haredi community and common sense, respect and love must return asap.
17. Wrong is wrong
Barry ,   Boston   (12.20.11)
Forcing women to the back of the bus on public buses is just plain wrong. This bus issue makes Israel look like Selma Alabama in the 1960's. It is a disgrace.
18. This is how jewdism treats women
Haim ,   TA   (12.20.11)
19. #13 Rebecca in a burkea
Haim ,   TA   (12.20.11)
just a matter of time, still you and your ilk who support women being treated in such a manner by so called religious men who dont seem to be able to controll their sexual urges only have yourselves to blaim
20. #12 Do you know what "lashon harah" means??
Human Being ,   Earth   (12.20.11)
#1-4 said nothing about being in favor of bus segregation, but they did question the reliability of the individual in this particular situation, a person with a reputation for telling lies. You do realize that this individual, in addition to stealing other writer's intellectual property and passing it off as her own work, has made a career out of "lashon harah." Being rude to someone (especially in Israel) is not a crime, but stealing someone else's copyrighted works is!
21. We are in the XXi Century.. Arn't we ?
Alex ,   USA   (12.20.11)
There is not a normally thinking person in this world, who denies the equal right of women, as a person . People living in a delusion, that any religion has the right to curb the right to any women, where to stand walk or sit, are living in a sinful mistaken falls belief. It will not work in Israel where women, work, and fight, more than some man, does,. Accidentally this men are from the same crowd denying the right to sit in the front of a bus.
22. A beatiful Jewish woman
Evan ,   U.S.   (12.20.11)
Man,,,, Rosenblit is a beautiful Jewish woman, I mean this woman is beautiful.
23. I agree with Bunnie Meyer #9
Israeli 2   (12.20.11)
24. #1 - which text are you referring to?
Michael Redbourn ,   Arad Israel   (12.20.11)
Calling somebody a "plagiarizing thief" without giving any proven reason makes you look very bad.
25. Miss Ragen me thinks u should be quiet 4 a long while
(12.20.11)
mediate in silence and G-d will help you find the courage to make amends for your sins
26. thank u human being @20
watcher (2) ,   Israel   (12.20.11)
2 b clear my position is 100% against bus segregation and yes I do feel that Ms. Ragen needs to go do a big tikkun for being a convicted plagerist.
27. #24 What text am I referring to?
Babishka ,   USA/Mea Shearim   (12.20.11)
The text that she copied from another author and published as her own work, which was reported last week in YNet, JPost and Haaretz, the court ordered her to pay damages to the other author.
28. @24 Ms Ragen was convicted of plagerism by an Israel Court
Emily ,   Israel   (12.20.11)
here is the ynet link on the matter: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4160630,00.html you may of course also wish to do a google or yahoo search regarding Ms. Ragen's recent conviction on plagerism charges. So may I suggest that you get informed before accusing others of lacking in proof
29. Forced Segregation
Son of Liberty ,   Chattanooga, USA   (12.20.11)
What makes Jewish women lower than Blacks here in the American South. You people have truly misapplied any sense of religious authority here. What makes you think God is stupid enough to create a less worthy creature for the mother of your own children?
30. Bus service in Israel
Doug P. ,   Dallas,Texas-USA   (12.20.11)
This question may seem stupid to you but since Im an American Im going to ask anyways: Are Palestinians allowed to use bus service? If so,do they have to sit in the back? Just curious.
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