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'Kosher' bus passengers to MK: Go marry a goy
Omro Efraim
Published: 29.12.11, 14:02
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1. The Patriarch Josef married a goy and was happy.Boaz married
Rivkah   (12.29.11)
a goy and was happy. Of course, HaShem had to cleanse the goyim for the marriages to Hebrews to be happy and blessed by God. He cleansed them with angels who whiped away the filth of their heathen heritage. Rabbi Yehoshua is a Jewish Brigegroom in Scriptures who will have a Gentile Bride (the Gentiles grafted into the faith with Jewish roots) when he comes as the Lion of Judah to deliver Israel. Marry a goy is not necessarily an insult since there are precedents for that. But most marriages between Jews and Goyim are not successful or happy I have noticed unless the goy bride or groom become Jews in their hearts which is possible for goyim to do even if many do not think so.
2. Haredim = Wahabism
W. ,   Beirut, Lebanon   (12.29.11)
3. As I said before - Haredim have zero tolerance
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (12.29.11)
for other people's beliefs and norms.
4. Political grandstanding. I hate to say it, but that's what
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.29.11)
it is in this case. While the go marry a goy comment was childish, the other concerns were legitimate. You shouldn't board a bus of random kharedim with a camera crew just to get a rise out of them.
5. halacha does not separate men and women
golan ,   modiin   (12.29.11)
that is a Hellenistic tradition. There is nothing in Torah Judaism which segregates the genders. Silly traditions from Eastern Europe is not Torah Judaism it is a reformist version of our religion. Yes, Hassidut is pagan according to the Rabbis of the 15th century. And if you study history you learn that Hassidism (a 15th century phenomenon) has its origin in Christian heresies of the 3rd and 5th century. You want to be pagan? Fine! but stop calling yourself Jewish.
6. Chareidi to mk go Mary a goy
Louie ,   Brooklyn ny usa   (12.29.11)
Omro you deserve a raise. You worked very hard writing this article to bash the chareidim and could not come up with much. The only way to accomplish this is to go again and again on the bus to find a Chareidi women who feels she is being discriminated or that she wants to sit in front next to a man or find a Chareidi man who is looking for confrontations.
7. HAREDI AND THE BUSES
H ROSEN ,   PA USA   (12.29.11)
It is the women who choose to sit near the front of a bus who are being insulted..No one minds that Haredi women choose this life style but the Haredim want everyone to conform...like Muslims? I wonder whether the Israelis realize how bad this situation looks in the U S ...It could eventually effect the relationship with Amnerican Jewry to to the point of reduced financial aid and political backing. Why should an American Jew (who is usually considered a goy) contribute anything ...where a good part of the money goes to a sect that does not join the army or work or contribute anything to Israeli society. why is the rule of law not applied to these people... throw their leaders in jail.
8. Haredi
NO GOY   (12.29.11)
Maybe we can solve the problem this way: Haredi will not ride the bus anymore, there were no busses in the ancient days.So why does this guys need a bus in our days. Donkeys can be used and also nice horses and they can be sure that no woman will sit in the front.
9. MKs should investigate sexual abuse, misogyny in IDF
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.29.11)
Women are abused in various scenarios: Wrong place, wrong time; senior officers propose sexual encounters and there is fear of demotion, complaints of sexual abuse are not taken and women are threatened with dishonorable discharge unless the matter is let go (and in some cases if the woman does not agree to an abortion). Everyone serving in active duty knows this is going on. Are MKs gonna show up with cameras? I don't think so. But one day someone will have to.
10. So Hotovly did manage to create a scene.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (12.29.11)
I am so pleased for her. That's what she wanted wasn't it? It was not enough to disturb their peaceful bus trip with cameras, When that didn't work she got back on to try again to get a rise out of them. Seculars would not have waited for the second provocation. They would have attacked as soon as their peace was disturbed.
11. returning to the eyruv
yosef ,   williamsburg   (12.29.11)
I grow up in tight Chasidic community and began to make transition out a few years ago but to be honest with you... ...the obsession of papers like thes one and moch of the Jewish world on a small frenge segment of Chassids is actually giving me idea to return.
12. Nothing wrong with marrying a "goy"
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (12.29.11)
all peopel are created equal. The derogatory term implying supperiority of jews over others is inherently racist
13. Basically uneducated men with low self esteem....
Getto culture ,   Israel   (12.29.11)
who use this type of situstion to elevate themselves (in their heads) to the top of the heirarchy. Of course any resistence to the declared order or questioning of the pracrice results in a narcissistic crushing of their (false) egos and a violent rage to obey their commands. Very serious psychological issues at stake here. More worldly education and some modernization will help this. They must learn math and English and find employment as a culture along with their Torah studies.
14. KOSHER BUS... AN OBSCENITY IN ISRAEL
stude ham   (12.29.11)
it is about time that israel bites back against these parasitic haredi who have absolutely no clue regarding judaism. remove the 'kosher' (what torah law governs the kashrut of a bus?) buses from the entire israeli bus system. bigotry and mysogyny have no place in the lands of israel.
15. Life is beautifull as a non jewish women maried to a jewish
Ves ,   London uk   (12.29.11)
Life is beautifull as a non jewish women maried to a jewish husband and so happy that can prove is not true most marieges are not happy with non jewish and jewish . Life is so beautifull if people know how to engoy the life .
16. Another story , and TRUE too .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.11)
I was once on the bus # 40 to Yafo . At the Azrieli bus station a charidi came in the bus , but when he saw that the driver was a woman , he left . The driver had a good laugh , i too . He was the looser , had to wait 20 minutes for the next one .
17. Leave them alone, its a private BUS for them.Like vegetarian
LIVEANDLETLIVE ,   Earth   (12.29.11)
otpions in the cafeteria. not everyone is secular and not everyone hared. the hared don't go to gay bars and tell them how to live, so why do the seculars go to hared communities and tell them how to live? LIVE AND LET LIVE. otherwise your asking for stress. who wants stress? you don't have enough or something? you'd like to age prematurely and get ulcers and a heart attack? Is that really wanted? LIVE AND LET LIVE
18. Halacha does not say that
Rabbi Yaakov ,   New York   (12.29.11)
The Beit Shemesh woman says Halacha says men and women should not sit together. Halacha never said that. Ignorant men interpret laws to be stricter than they are. These charedim are going the direction of the Taliban and they leave no option for others to live amongst them. I fear insanity is king of the "charedim." "charedi" means fearful. They are afraid of their own shadows and of living a full life.
19. #12 Israel is a goy. goy means nation
Ami ,   Israel   (12.29.11)
its come to be representative of the 2000 years under christian and islamic barbarism, which is a nice word considering the insane horror perpetrated on the Jews...and in the name of "Love". which also explains the jews' inherent antipathy towards missionaries. The only people who are chosen are those who care and follow the highest laws that man can follow. If thats you, kole hacavode. If thats the alien people from planet moron in galaxy mr-7, good for them. It happens to be the jewish people were prescribed a particular society, and if the laws are understood correctly (which is a topic in itself) then the jews will be a light unto the nations. BTW, a light can be a way of "seeing" if you follow the drift
20. Get the media out of here
Su ,   Jerusalem   (12.29.11)
The media is having their hey day - using the unacceptable spitting incident to once again. Rile up the ignorant masses to "get the chareidim". Drop these troublemakers (the press) and let us return to generally very good connections and relationships between religious and non religious. They are solely looking to incite. There is good and bad in each group and by and large there is so much good. Let's defeat the aims of the press and join hands in restoring friendships and good relations between the groups. Our very survival demands we reach out to each other and understand our differences in this society encompassing so many groups and cultures and religious lifestyles. And by the way- why is it so bad to sit separately if we women want it that way in our communities???
21. buses cannot be kosher or non-kosher!
Helena ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (12.29.11)
Are you crazy calling buses "kosher"? Do you the gasoline buses run on is kosher? Have Egged received a kashrut certificate for each and every bus? IT IS NOT JUST STUPID, IT IS SICK!!! Let the Haredim purchase and run their own buses and NEVER SUBSIDISE either buses or Haredim. Then they will promptly learn something useful which will enable them to provide for themselves. ABOLISH ALL SUBSIDIES TO IDLE HAREDIM. If they want to study let them do that after work. Or let their pious community support them...
22. #12 "Goy" describes any nation, also used for Jewish Nation
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.29.11)
Nothing derogatory about it. There are derogatory terms, but 'goy' and 'nochri' are not among them.
23. Perhaps the Haredim should stop acting like goyim
American Sabrah ,   Israel   (12.29.11)
And stop forcing women to the back of the bus if they don't want to sit there. Don't mix your personal feelings with Judaism. There is no prohibition of men and women sitting next to each other so long as they are not flirting with one another. Practice what you preach and treat others with the same tolerance and respect you want to be treated. As once Rav Hillel said "Don't do unto others what you don't want done to yourself". Derech eretz kadma l'torah.
24. #5 YOU ALSO ARE MISINFORMED
....DACON9   (12.29.11)
HASIDM STARTED ABOUT YEAR 1750 AND UP BY THE BAL SHEM TOV. Its origins have nothing to do with xtian herecy or anything xtian. hasid is far from paganism. are you trying to justify your own transgressions? men and woman were separted after our temples were destroyed becase ISRAEL started dressing and acting in the ways of the other nations. t Therefore the RABBIS INSTITUTED THE SEPARATION TO PRESERVE ISRAEL IN THE WAYS THAT HASHEM TAUIGHT ISRAEL THROUGH THE LAWS OF TORAH.
25. Cultists not Jews
Jonny ,   Cape Town   (12.29.11)
Most of these Haredim are not Jewish, but members of a cultist sect that somewhere along the line practice a sort of Judaism.
26. This is ridicilous
Daniel ,   New York, New York   (12.29.11)
After thousands of years of being persecuted by outsiders, we must learn to respect and care for one another. We are all one family, regardless of religious observance. If we cannot unite and care for one another, we are undermining our own survival.
27. I GAVE A BIBLICAL PROOFS WHO WRONG #1 IS
...DACON9   (12.29.11)
I HOPE YNET DID NOT TRASH IT
28. Sarai was a goy.
Mort ,   Ramat Beit Shemsh   (12.29.11)
Rivkah: Sarai, to become Sarah was also a goy. So was Leah and Rivka. The Torah was not yet given at the time of Yosef. A Midrash rtells us that Yosef actually married Dina's daughter.
29. #7 must be joking
Robert ,   NY USA   (12.29.11)
You false situation propaganda will backfire just like it did with the Muslims. They will read the Torah, just like they did the Quran, and you will be the liars. All your demonizing Islam is why there are floatilas, UN state for Palestine... is that your plan, maybe?
30. I'll Be The First Goy To Volunteer
Eamon ,   San Francisco, CA   (12.29.11)
She's soo beautiful
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