IDF says paratroopers' march through Muslim Quarter a 'provocation'
Yoav Zitun
Published: 12.01.12, 20:10
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1. next Libya? do the words "court-martial" mean anything?
Rafi ,   US   (01.12.12)
what next? if these guys are doing this at their own initiative but IN UNIFORM, who knows what the next "group" action of their choice will be? Whatever the cause - unless these soldiers were clearly ordered to take this "tour" - they are totally out of line. Either these troops are subject to military discipline or they are not... the obvious consequences of failing to addrees this are ultimate breakdown of discipline & order.... A nice respite in the stockade is the best remedy for these guys - and the integrity of the IDF !
2. Kol Hakoved
Ellen ,   Netanya/NYC   (01.12.12)
This should have been done years ago. When Israel shows strength she will be respected, when Israel cowers in fear of the Arabs they will dump on her. Keep it up--we can make peace but a peace without demands that would cause us to basically agree to our own destruction.
3. Past due!. A celebration in Israel's city.
Israeli 2   (01.12.12)
So..what's news?
4. So? Jerusalem the capital (both sides)
m   (01.12.12)
5. Who ?
Ehud ,   Jerusalem , Israel   (01.12.12) in charge of the army.
6. Christian Tourists continually harrassed there
MoreParadesPlease ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.12.12)
As a tour guide who is there almost weekly I can attest to the horrific welcome Christian tourists receive as they walk along the VIa Dolorosa cars purpsoely race through the pilgrims scaring and scattering to the smiles of the locals only a matter of time before one is killed many have been hit and injured already.Offensive signs against Christians and Jews are found everywhere one Pizza restaurant treats the Chrisitan diners to an Islamic video calling Christians and Jews infidels.Tourists are continuoulsy harrassed and ridiculed and offended as they pass the Moslem owned shops & then wonder why the tourists dont stop and buy "Jesus always shops here" an example .
7. That's the way to go !
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (01.12.12)
8. Shameful behavior
Andy ,   USA   (01.12.12)
I'm ashamed that Jews in the IDF project this aggressive nationalism. My vision is of an Israel that respects differences between her religious groups, and of an IDF that works to defend Israel, not provoke Arabs to hate us even more. There is no need for IDF members to march through the Muslim Quarter -- unless the goal is to incite violence. It is likely that that is, in fact, the goal; Israel's leaders should condemn those who arranged for IDF paratroopers to engage in disrespectful behavior, and to suspend them from their posts, so every IDF member gets the message: Israel does not allow its Army to incite violence and hatred.
9. It's time for israel first and moishe kedar
alexi   (01.12.12)
it is difficult for jews worldwide to sit by all these years and see israel represented by submissive appeasing foreign ministers in beilin, peres and livni. The world has been misled inthinking that the west bank is occupied rather than disputed. QAnd the world does not know that san remo gave it to Israel sovereignty as well as it being the historic cradle. Moishe kedar should be in the israeli government in some important ministry like arab department communications 24/7. Al jazerra well knows him. IDf troops marching int he homeland of e. Jerusalem is normal and it is good for the arabs to see it. Finally, with the latest indictment of olmert, it is clear that once he goes tojail after appeals,t hat willl be his final address because there are so many charges. When he received his 10-20 year jail sentence, he can reflect why he listened to his dumb wife and stabbed israel in the heart iwth his odious concession offer.
10. This behavior is nothing for us to be proud of
Barry ,   Boston   (01.12.12)
The behavior of these recruits is irresponsible. We need to show respect for those of other religions who live in our communities. Marching through the Muslim Quarter singing Am Yisroel Chai is looking to needlessly cause trouble. IDF recruits should know better.
11. personally, I would b happier if the IDF did it w/o...
Sephardi Leftist ,   Israel   (01.12.12)
Ateret HaCohanim's "assistance". Just saying not meaning to offend anyone. (remember I strive to accept all)
12. #7 Chris, I saw them on my way to work on Mt. Scopus...
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (01.12.12)
walking down Salah-ad-Din St. in E. Jerusalem heading for the Old City. I know some people can't accept the fact that I never changed my cyber address, but is there any law that says I have to? I know of none. Some things are better off being left untouched.
13. B"H for your service which I hope can be completed without
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (01.12.12)
an incident of female singing.
14. Observation
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.12.12)
Well, the Moslem Quarter is located in Jerusalem, which is the capital city of Israel. If the denizens of the Moslem Quarter feel in any way offended, then they should immediately renounce their Israeli citizenship and leave the country. Their hearts should have burst with pride. If not -- well -- they are disloyal citizens and if they refuse to leave the country voluntarily, we should make that decision for them. KOL HA'KAVOD, TZANHANIM!
15. Confused
moriah ,   sacramento usa   (01.12.12)
"The army said soldiers should be left out of the political debate." Then why do you let yourself be used to throw Jews out of their homes and to destroy their homes??
16. #1 - IDF soldiers gather outside the Austrian Hospice every
Henry from New York ,   USA   (01.12.12)
Evening. There are at least twenty. I don't know why, but they do and no one seems bothered by them. That is in the heart of the Muslim Quarter.
17. Jerusalem is a political issue but the kotel isnt?
Yoni the JEW ,   Jewish Homeland   (01.12.12)
I am lost here. How could marching through the old city of Jerusalem be a political statement any more than swearing in at the Kotel? If this is a political issue than every Jew in Israel is also a provocation and political statement. This is crazy nonsense to listen to someone calling our capital a political issue.
18. #12, Noodles, a wise decision...and at
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (01.12.12)
least I know, how to reach you !
19. Paratroops Old City
Ike ,   Chicgo, USA   (01.12.12)
Let us not forget that had it been up to the secular army head Moshe Dayan, the Old City and the Kotel would not be in our hands. It was the senior officer on hand, Rabbi Shlomo Goren who against government policy demanded that the Old City be taken in 1967.
20. What is the Problem?
Edwin ,   Canada   (01.12.12)
As an outsider, I am at a loss why anyone, except the local Arab transients, would object to the IDF marching in any district of their own capitol. It was won in a defensive war, fair and square, and this is a consequence of attacking Israel the Jordanians must accept.
21. Now the IDF wants soldiers "out of the political debate"....
OMG ,   Israel   (01.12.12)
OH MY G-D When they use them to back up THEIR politics its ok But of they swear to be true to the G-d and people (all the people of Israel) (including J&S) it's not ok I am SICK of our boys and girls being USED for leftist politics!!!!!!!
22. Tis is a well-known tactic to build support
r cummings ,   london UK   (01.12.12)
The Nazi brownshirts marched in socialist and Jewish areas just like this, singing their nationalist, racial-purity songs to intimidate and challenge the opposition before breaking some heads. Can't believe that this is happening in Israel, or that the IDF will accept these political extremists serving in the forces. In a NATO army and most others, they would all be behind bars awaiting early and merciless courts martial.
23. I don't get it
Perplexed   (01.12.12)
Is there something wrong with a group of soldiers marching through the capital city singing patriotic songs?
24. Proud to be Jewish
Besalel ,   Great Neck, NY   (01.12.12)
Way to go IDF! Folks like Rafi #1, Andy #8 and Barry #10 represent a shameful minority of galut pseudo-jews who continue to manifest symptoms of the ghetto peasant who is ashamed and afraid to proudly proclaim 'we are jews and this is our land." Jerusalem is the undivided capital of the jewish people. there is no muslim quarter only some blocks where arabs are welcome to live freely and peacefully in a jewish state. The IDF needs to apologize to nobody for marching on any street between the jordan and the mediterranean.
25. The white paper
Zivron   (01.12.12)
The white paper of 1939 limited jewish escape fromm nazi occuied europe to palestine . In early 1941 the British foreign minister visited Turkey to convince Turkey to join the allies as the ussr and nazi germany were allies.No mention of a temporary sanctuary for jews was even mentioned ,Next the struma rumanian jews towed out from Turkish ports to sink in the Baltic . The jews could have be given safe passage for the duration of the war in islamic india and ceylon a large island under british control. Israel is indeed revenge for the Holocaust .
26. Paratroopers: Proud of them and
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (01.12.12)
glad they marched through our capital city including the Arab quarter. I have witnessed the swearing in ceremonies in the Old City. Very impressive. Happy that I am Jewish.
27. Solders march in Capitol. whats wrong?
hadad ,   U.K   (01.12.12)
28. Only in Israel
Pedro ,   Brazil   (01.12.12)
The troop march through the capital city can be considered, by the army, a provocation. Who said this absurd is who are looking for problems because he is giving ammunition to the people who say that East Jerusalem is not Israeli but Palestinian.
29. #10 Barry
Jane   (01.12.12)
When Muslims show respect for Jews... Really, Barry, stay in Boston. Your politically correct foolishness has nothing to do with the realities on the ground in Israel.
30. Next, the Temple Mount and Civil War ?
Roland Seener ,   London England   (01.12.12)
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