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Holocaust omitted from Russian site
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Published: 27.01.12, 08:15
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1. Easy to "forget bitterness" when victims are Jews!
(01.27.12)
Typical Russian Anti-Semitism designed to change historical facts. I wonder what would happen if people started changing the plaques of the hundreds of monuments honoring the liberating Red Army victims in thir push against the Nazi Germnay. Replacing the plaques with neutral "honoring the soldiers who died... Etc." instead of "Red Army soldiers..." would go a long way towards "forgetting bitterness", eh? Those who ignore history, will repeat it. Are today's Russians prepared for sacrifing 20 Million in their fight of the new invading Nazi hordes of Islam?
2. Russian Communists are masters of distorting history
(01.27.12)
They are walking in the footsteps of Arch-butcher Stalin, who was the Communist version of Hitler.
3. #2 You're Right About Russian Bolseviks
World Citizen ,   the world   (01.27.12)
But you're leaving out the part where you admit to everyone that the majority of them were ethnic Jews. Yes the vast majority of the villians of the Russian tragedy were Jewish. If you want names I can give them to you. I can furnish you dozens of links on the web. Each will tell you of the sordid of the Jewish Bolsheviks. They won't teach you this in the history books but Stalin wasn't the worst of the mass murderers of history. Hitler wasn't either. Kaganovitch, a Jew, was. Kaganovitch was directly responsible for the deaths, many of them murders, of about 20 million Russians. Look him up.
4. #3 world
solomon ,   bklyn   (01.27.12)
You are right about Kaganovitch. And their were others, but not the “vast majority” you [always] claim. The real vast majority of murderers were not Jewish. The vast majority of those murdered were Jews.
5. one of the most violent cities in Russia today
Carl ,   USA   (01.27.12)
"...Rostov area, which is considered one of the most violent cities in Russia today." Does the current violence also have an anti-Semitic component? An incomplete story that eliminates pertinent facts is a cynical and misleading distortion. It's in the news all the time vis-a-vis Israel, e.g., "Israel kills group of Palestinians" vs "Hamas terror cell intercepted and killed while attempting to launch a rocket" gives a very different perspective on cause and effect.
6. # 3
ryddi ,   judea   (01.27.12)
"the vast majority of the villians of the Russian tragedy were Jewish. If you want names I can give them to " you comrades have manufactored lists of completely random individuals names with no crime specified. so shove it!
7. Jewish link to Russian revolution
ben   (01.28.12)
the leading role in the Russian revolution and communism in eastern europe was indeed played by Jews. This is common knowledge. Winston Churchill wrote about it. The Americans wrote about it. But modern history teaching in schools ignores the Jewish link . Without his information you get a distorted view of 20th century history. Why are US Jews today so left wing? Why is antisemitism worse in easten europe and Russia than the west etc.
8. Why do you care?
Dan the Jafa ,   Auckland, NZ   (01.28.12)
Those were all Russian Jews who were slaughtered there. From what I learned from the talkbackers, Russian Jews are universally hated in Israel and somehow their blood is always cheaper. So why the outrage now? Make up your minds, will you?
9. A fitting memorial?
Susanne ,   Los Angeles CA   (01.28.12)
When I visited Berlin before the fall of the wall, there was a Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Brandenburg Gate to honor the Red Army soldiers who liberated the city from the Nazis. Every East Berliner I ever met referred to it as the Tomb of the Unknown Rapist. This is also "in line with historical research and data", if anyone would like to donate a new plaque.
10. #7 ben
solomon ,   bklyn   (01.28.12)
Antisemitism has always been worse in Eastern Europe and Russia. It came from the more orthodox churches, blaming Jews for the crucifiction. It came from corrupt governments looking for a scape goat. And Jews did play a role in communism; it was the first ideology that showed a glimmer of accepting them. But they were far from having a 'leading role'. To prove this you'll have to invent a list of names. (see post #6).
11. #3Please do! Let's see that "vast majority" in real numbers!
(01.28.12)
Let's see a full list of those who participated in the Russian Genocide, and how many of them were actually Jewish. Then let's see a list of the victims too and see how many of those victims were Jews and how many we're not. Do YOU have such lists, or yor just farting your hatred and racism? Let's see how real you are!
12. #8 from what I hear, Wikies rump sheep!
(01.28.12)
I also hear that ethnic New Zealanders (no, not the white, invading and raping variety) are discriminated against, raped, and pushed into alcoholism and drug abuse, all this under the not-Norwegian-unlike Israeli-and-Jew-hating Leftist government. It's a lot of things I hear about New Zealand too! If you ignore facts and base your imbecile propaganda on hearsay or fabrications, then you should know they work in reverse too. Deal with it!
13. # 10...Ben had it right...and it's obvious you don't like
Edithann ,   USA   (01.28.12)
the trurh, but it was the Jews who formented the Russian revolution and the world already knows it.. You're trying to distort history to suit your own agenda as usual.. It's your history so 'deal with it'! TATA
14. Susanne @ 9, Germans might've called it
leo ,   usa   (01.28.12)
"Tomb of the Unknown Rapist", but as far I am concerned Germans got what was coming to them. I am not even sure Soviets were any more atrocious toward Germans as Germans were toward Soviets. They can cry me a river all they want.
15. Nakba omitted from Israeli textbooks
Steven Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (01.28.12)
16. #13 edithann
solomon ,   bklyn   (01.28.12)
You share a talent with many posters; that of taking the truth, turning it 180 degrees, and then accusing others of what you just did. And YOU are the one who doesn't like the truth, distorting history to suit your own agenda. This is the one constant thread throughout all your posts. You are the last person one would want as a 'witness'. Deal with it. A long list of names has been requested. Let's see how many names you can make up. tata
17. solomon
ben   (01.28.12)
I've always found you a very reasonable open-minded talkbacker. We don't like German people or anyone other people who try to deny or excuse what they did to Jews during the war. By the same token it is not OK to try and hide or deny the terrible role of Jews in Russian communism and in communist regimes elsewhere in eastern Europe.
18. solomon , here is what a US Jewish paper said:
ben   (01.28.12)
"The Bolshevik Revolution was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct." American Hebrew (New York), Sept. 1920. Quoted in: Nathan Glazer and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Beyond the Melting Pot (Cambridge, Mass.: 1963), p. 268. There is so much material on the subject you could go on forever but you have to admit that most of it is not mentioned in school textbooks. That ''cover-up'' distorts our understanding of 20th century history and is not OK.
19. #15 steve-Yes it is. And your point is...?
solomon ,   bklyn   (01.28.12)
20. no 8 the FM of Israel is a russian Jew, isn't he?
Ken ,   Burma at Peace   (01.29.12)
21. Borcht anyone ?
Yossi   (01.29.12)
Holocaust omitted?, no surprises there. It comes naturally to the Russian leadership as they experienced their own self inflicted Shoah with 25 million of their own citizen obliterated.--- PS : their experience allows them to give WISE advice to " Assad "
22. #17, #18 ben
solomon ,   bklyn   (01.29.12)
Thank you for your kind words. I am not denying that Jews were involved in communism. I am denying that they had a leading role. There should be mention of it in school books IF there is mention of many other things. I hear that history is not taught in schools to the depth it used to be. I have heard that in some school books the Holocaust is given short shrift. (It may be untrue.) Things that are left out of school books can hopefully be learned later in life through curiousity and reading, as we did. I learned about Jewish involvement in communism (and the reasons behind it) later in life. No one is pushing it under the rug as there are sources that say what happened. But you need a longer more detailed curriculum to teach everything. I am sure graduate students of history know more than we and don’t have to be told. Again: there may be a lot of material on the subject; there can be a lot of material on any subject. There is tons of material on “the Jews control the world”. Quantity does not make quality. That being said, I respectfully disagree with the statement that “the Bolshevik Revolution was largely the product of Jewish thinking”. I should point out that it is only one example on one page of one Jewish paper.
23. same logic
ryddi ,   israel   (01.29.12)
jews were the first christians too, so by perverts logic they must take responsibility for its crimes; crusades, inqusition, oppression, conquests etc.
24. #8 is so right #12.. is a dumb racist, made no sense?!
Russian in Israel   (01.29.12)
to #12 any english speaker here who doesnt speak hebrew is usually an american so dont talk to us here in Israel about how it is.. Nameless #12 needs to deal with it..
25. # 3 mass murderes
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (01.29.12)
world willain ! Stalin couldn't find a Russian willing to run the killing machine,so,he had no choice but to appoint a none Russian for this task,and given the hatred in your heart, you would have gladly accepted such a job,to kill,under stalin,Hitler,and the Turks,to exterminate the Armenians.
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