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Ex-haredim to sue State for damages
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 03.02.12, 09:39
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31. #23 Brilliant suggestion
Israeli grandma   (02.05.12)
I am not thrilled with the level of education my children received at Mamlachti Dati schools long ago, before they were Haredified, but agree that the parents of ultra Otho and yeshiva only type junior schools are at fault for not getting their children an education which they need to survive in the modern world, but sueing the State is foolish, useless and only puts money in the pockets of the lawyers. if we are talking about money the State should set up special mature student classes just as they provide appropriate education for new Olim - and not just for ex-Haredi pupils, but to give a "second chance" to young adults who did not complete their compulsory education successfully.
32. # 27
(02.05.12)
Your reactions are those of a brain washed haredi robot
33. 29 Andi My hope is that the students
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.05.12)
of the State religious schools will be an example of good behaviour,and therefore ALL State schools might decide to teach Tora. Hence,all citizens having the SAME values , Israel might become Am Ehad.
34. 32 Watch out when you come...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.05.12)
down from your tree.
35. 27 , expulsions are also the will of the citizens
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.05.12)
36. #32 what's your point? Anon
robert ,   TelAviv   (02.05.12)
who is the robot? Theones who blindly follow the Ravs teachings? Haredi do not include core subjects- and now the state is supposed to be guilty? get a grip. Separate state and religion- once and for all. ALL Israelis are taught ALL core subjects, religious studies are outside the curriculum.
37. Expulsions Fortunately,a majority..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.05.12)
of Israelis have their heart on the right place,and might not aprove,if there was a referendum about the expulsion of Jews from their houses.
38. 36 robert The Jewish values...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.05.12)
written in the Tora belongs to the core subjects,and should be taught in all schools. WE want Israel to be Am Ehad.
39. Robert TLV 36
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.05.12)
Many "believers" are robots . They "believe" because they were brainwashed by their parents , cheder , yeshiva . They don't know something different , they don't know what LIFE means . As i wrote it already , State schools don't need to teach tora , only Jewish History . Subsidized schools should follow only the State curicullum . Those who want to study tora may do it , it their own schools , paid by themselve . In the US as an example , Jewish day schools are very expensive . Where i lived we had Jewish schools . They were subsidized by the State for the State program . We had to pay , in today's money , around 3000 Euro per year for the 8 weekly Jewish lesson hours .
40. Rob taxpayers to pay for the rabbis' & politicians' crimes
Michael Makovi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.05.12)
The sheer hutzpah of these people astounds and disgusts me. It's not enough that the Israeli taxpayer is robbed once to pay for the Haredim, but now, he has to be robbed a second time to compensate them! An innocent Israeli, just trying to live his life honestly, has to sacrifice his hard-earned wages once to pay Haredim to do nothing all day, and then a second time to compensate them for their losses incurred by doing nothing all day. Gary North puts the matter well in his book, Puritan Economic Experiments, p. 37: "Today, we also hear suggestions to impose a system of restitution for crime victims, but with this grim variation: the victims are to be reimbursed by the taxpayers, not the criminals." So now the taxpayers get to pay because a bunch of crap-assed politicians decided to bankroll the Haredim and enable their unsustainable lifestyle. I hope that God creates hell just so these ex-haredim can burn in it. Naturally, the politicians will provide them company.
41. Michael , the ex charidim are victims TOO !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.05.12)
They had to obey their parents who sent them to these "schools" , but the State did'nt take care of them to give them a good education .
42. To Charles, #41
Michael Makovi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.05.12)
"They had to obey their parents who sent them to these 'schools', but the State did'nt take care of them to give them a good education ." I don't care whether they are victims, because no matter how victimized they were, the taxpayers are NOT the ones responsible. The taxpayers are ALSO victims, just like the ex-Haredim. The ex-Haredim, having been exploited by the State and by the Haredi rabbinate working in conspiracy, are now turning to their own exploiter, the State, and requesting that it in turn exploit their own partners in victimhood, the taxpayer, in order to furnish compensation. Talk about betrayal and treason! It is as if two children (one, the taxpayer, the other, the ex-Haredi) were raped by two people (the State and the Haredi rabbinate, in partnership), and one child turned to the rapists and asked that they rape the second raped child some more in order to to pay compensation to the first child. The ex-Haredim ought to be ashamed of themselves. They are merely legitimizing and taking advantage of the very exploitation that put them in their present situation. Having been exploited by the State, they are now asking the State to keep exploiting only this time to do it for their (the ex-Haredims') benefit.
43. Michael 42
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.05.12)
The State is responsible , the State = governement = electorate who voted for the politicians that made this situation possible . Had the electorate voted massively for Shinui , laws would have been changed , charidi schools would'nt be subsidized anymore and this situation would be different . So WE , the taxpayers are responsible too . I think that the e4x charidim can be proud for having left this dark age life . Why have the ex charidim to be ashamed ? because as children they obeyed their parents ? They were the victims of their parents and the State . They can turn to their parents for compensation , yes , that would be a solution . But the State allowed this situation to exist , so his responsability is engaged .
44. Michael 42 TRY # 2
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.05.12)
The State is responsible , the State = governement = electorate who voted for the politicians that made this situation possible . Had the electorate voted massively for Shinui , laws would have been changed , charidi schools would'nt be subsidized anymore and this situation would be different . So WE , the taxpayers are responsible too . I think that the e4x charidim can be proud for having left this dark age life . Why have the ex charidim to be ashamed ? because as children they obeyed their parents ? They were the victims of their parents and the State . They can turn to their parents for compensation , yes , that would be a solution . But the State allowed this situation to exist , so his responsability is engaged .
45. to Charles, #41, continued
Michael Makovi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.05.12)
"but the State did'nt take care of them" I find it baffling that the very institution - viz. the State - which conspired with the Haredi rabbinate to defraud and despoil the ex-Haredim in the first place, should be trusted to take care of *anyone*. One might as well trust the United States government, which bailed out the banks at taxpayer expense, to instead regulate the banks for the welfare of the people. One finds oneself being systematically robbed by the government, and then turns to the government for assistance? Nothing could be more illogical or foolhardy. But more than this, when the exploited individual turns to the government for assistance, he is essentially asking the government to *continue* to exploit others, in order to furnish the funds necessary to compensate him. Finding oneself having been despoiled by the State, one begs the State to keep on despoiling others, only now with one as recipient rather than victim. Nothing could be more treacherous or evil.
46. How's this idea?
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.17.12)
For those who were educated in the Haredi school system and never learned the core subjects that everyone should learn, let the money for the courses they need to take be deducted from the budget allocated to the Yeshivot and the Haredi parties. Let the Haredi system pay, although late, for the education they should have been providing for years.
47. Talk to YOUR friends
Jon ,   USA   (07.20.12)
How exactly we should behave to be AM Ehad? We gave them their own schools (paid by us), we gave them Ptor from MILITARY service, we allow them to decide our political system for huge amount of money we gave to their parties, so what else you want US TO DO AND WE DID NOT DO YET???
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