John R. keeps on citing the ICJ, yet the very country that he lives in does not accept any ICJ rulings, nor has it accepted them since 1984. Israel has not agreed to allow ICJ jurisdiction either. So the point is moot, it does not have any authority over us and it's rulings are meaningless.

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"yet the very country that he lives in does not accept any ICJ rulings, nor has it accepted them since 1984." Whether or not the US accepts ICJ rulings is irrelevant to the question of whether Israel is right or wrong in this matter. It is simple deflection on your part. Besides, your statement is untrue. What is true is that the US did not accept ONE ruling (vs Nicaragua in 1984.) The US claimed it couldn't be forthcoming with information to the Court's judges because of Cold War concerns and therefor said it wasn't going to accept the Court's judgement. The US was wrong, however this hardly gives Israel a free pass to ignore ICJ rulings.

i do not trust evry man writing and the bible was that it was written by men they think they would live forever . illusional and fake . evry generation live its history and i believe on one god -the justice and mercy

Yes the US has ignored the ICJ and declared that they are not bound to it and yes that is relevant. We have never accepted the ICJ because it is an apartheid organization that does not allow any of our citizens to be members. It's judges announce verdicts before hearing cases and there is no provision for removing judges that do so. Sorry but yes we have a free pass, especially considering that they have no authority to make most of their rulings in the first place and violate their own charter.

It's amazing how one can create a fake "palestinian" identity on the "west bank [of Jordan]". There is no doubt to any clear-sighted person that Judea and Samaria are not only Jewish by historical right, but are essential for survival of the tiny (even with the "disputed" territoris) state of Israel.

Of course, libero-fascists try to ignore facts as they conflict with their agenda.

#45. The bottom line is that John R is fictional Palestine's fictional legal expert. Isn't it fitting that a fictional state is championed by an anonymous fictional legal expert. The real legal experts such as Eugene Rostow, author of U.N. Resolution 242 and David M. Phillips, Northeastern University School of Law acknowledge that Judea and Samaria belong to Israel. Meanwhile, nobody in the entire multi billion dollar funded P.A. has risen to the challenge of publicly debating MK Danny Ayalon on the issue.

Chaim has no idea what the legal arguments are (and couldn't make them if his life depended on it.) Instead he rationalizes his ultra-militant Israeli nationalism by claiming there are legal experts "out there" who agree with him. You can always find a "legal expert" to come down on a certain side of an argument. Hitler, too, had "legal experts" backing his moves. Only someone naive as Chaim would be impressed by such things.

West Bank Palestinians no longer have Jordanian citizenship. King Hussein gave up his claims to the West Bank, and the world accepted that. So, if we apply the same standards to Israel and to the rest of the world, what countries would not be criticized for wanting or planning to "repatriate" millions of troublesome people to neighboring countries that do not recognize them as citizens? I don't see Iraq planning to ship Kurds to Turkey or vice versa. And look into your own heart. If you think it is wrong for Lebanon to want to repatriate Palestinians into Israel, you have to agree that it is equally wrong for Israel to "repatriate" Palestinians into Jordan, which is not where they were in 1948 or even in 1900.

Produce for us one single legal claim for the Arabs that Gaza, Judea and Samaria belong to them. Bet you not only can't but won't even try to do that.

#70 Tom. It is unclear what point you are trying to make. Do you dispute the fact that Eugene Rostow, author of U.N. Resolution 242, is a legal expert? Do you dispute the fact that nobody in the entire P.A. will rise up to MK Danny Ayalon's challenge to a public debate on who owns Judea and Samaria? Tom, these are all easily verifiable facts. Real legal experts admit Israel owns Judea and Samaria.

It is against international law to strip somebody of citizenship for no reason. So they are in fact still Jordanian citizens and as such must be repatriated to their own country.

The Arab League in 2002 accepted Israel within its 1967 borders. The issue unresolved was right of return which I believe the Jews could buy from the Palestinians with international help. There is an old article in the NYT where Omert and Abbas were interviewed on what was agreed to in their failed negotiations. In those negotiations Abbas agreed to a demilitarized state.. Israel using the original names from 2,000 years ago is designed to imply ownership. Stop playing games.

All the borders changed as a result of peace treaties. If you make a treaty with the Palestinians and they agree to all your territorial demands, its legal. Of course the treaties were voluntary or they would still be at war. Do you think they got things like return of prisoners while they were still under a state of war?

The only borders that were agreed to were the Mandate border not Israeli borders.The only reference to territory that is required to be a Jewish State in the Mandate is that it be established "IN (meaning within) not OF (meaning all of the Mandate) as a home for the Jewish people.The Mandate was ratified in 1922 and prior to its ratification the British published a White Paper that said Jews would not get all the land in the Mandate. The Franco-British Boundary commission basically established the northern boundary for the Mandate and segregated out Lebanon and Syria. So what? The Israeli Supreme Court is too an authority on international law besides which the ultimate arbiter as listed in the Mandate is the ICJ. The ICJ ruled exactly like the Israeli Supreme Court. Most of the world feels the Mandate ended in 1948 when the main purpose of it was satisfied, the creation of a viable Jewish State.The unallocated land would then fall under Charter XI of the UN Charter which would give rights to the indigenous population . Approximately 88% of the West Bank is Palestinian so you should try reading the Charter to see what their rights are.

Rabbi Abba Silver, representing the Jewish Agency in hearings before the UN on UNGA 181 said its position was that forming a Jewish State in the Mandate was not dependent on the formation of a neighboring Arab State. The agreement was between the Jewish Agency and the UN and was exactly as requested by the Agency and was supported,as requested by the US( that spearheaded it through the UN.) .

The 1948 eastern borders were not at the green line. Even Israel's own foreign ministry, on their web site, says the green line is armistice lines and nothing more. In 2002 the Arab league agreed to recognize Israel based on the green lines.

The US has rejected rulings by the ICJ mainly for Israel's behalf. Under Articles 93 and 94 of the UN Charter, they are required to respect the rulings as accepted international law. The problem is that the only enforcement to ICJ rulings comes through the Security Council. Since the US has veto power it is impossible to enforce rulings against Israel. It doesn't mean you're not breaking the law, it just means AIPAC currently has control of our congress and hence, our State Dept. I certainly wouldn't want my existence dependent on that.

... "Palestinians"? Please read my talkbacks nr 49, 50 and 53. "Palestinians" are Persians, Kurds, Turks, Circassians, Africans, Berber, Somalians, Sudanese, Egyptians, Bosnians, Albanians, Latins, Italians, Greeks, Germans, Motawila and Afghans - arriving from ALL these lands, over a long period of time - for centuries - sometimes as Greek Orthodox priests and sometimes as guest workers. Most of these "Palestinians" arrived here as illegal immigrants as recently as the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. The only uniting factors of these "Palestinians" that consist of at least a dozen ethnic/nation groups are: 1)They speak Arabic 2)Most of them are Moslems 3) They hate Jews and Israel and 4) they live physiclally in Israel to take over the land demographcally. Not only do the "Palestinians" NOT originate from Israel, they do not even originate from Jordan/Trans-Jordan either. The "Palestinians" are LITERALLY SEVERAL ETHNIC/NATIONAL GROUPS WITHOUT A COMMON HISTORY, IDENTITY OR ANCESTRY AND LITERALLY WITHOUT ANY PRIOR HISTORY IN ISRAEL. The "Palestinians" come from Afghanistan, Russia and central Asia, Turkey, Iran, the Balkans, Greece, Italy, Germany, North Africa, Egypt, Black Africa. Several historical records and sources agree that Israel was desolate, empty of a population in the late 19th and early 20th century. Even phographs taken in that period prove that. No cities whatsoever. So there were no "Palestinians" there either.

The US rejected the ICJ rulings to protect ITSELF. We had nothing to do with it whatsoever. It did not involve a single Israeli. That set something called precedents. Kind of like the US Supreme Court deciding constitutionality of a law. They do not have that right, but took it none the less and since their is a precedent for it continue. AIPAC no more control Congress than the NRA - which by the way is far more effective than AIPAC. We know that you are anti-AIPAC - so the question is are you against all PACs or just Jewish ones. Either you hate the US Constitution or you are a racist - which one is it? When are you going to answer the basic question? What legal claim do the Arabs have to Judea and Samaria? Come on - stop ignoring the issue and answer it.

Your posts were a delight and very informative. Rarely do I read anything here not tainted by racism, hatred and propaganda. In contrast your arguments are objective and backed up. Thank you once again for articulating Palestinian rights in this beloved land. Please continue to enlighten and may Peace return to the Land of Peace.

West Bank Palestinians were stripped of their citizenship because Jordan no longer claimed sovereignty over them and the West Bank. That may have something to do with the fact that the Palestine Liberation Army had previously attacked Jordan. Had the issue gone to the ICJ they would have ruled the initial grant of citizenship was illegal as the law had been written. Ignoring all this however, please cite the specific law which you are referring to.

In 2002 the Arab league agreed to recognize Israel based on the green lines AS PART OF THE ARAB "PEACE' INITIATIVE (you "forgot" to mention that 'minor detail'), which included the spurious "right of return". The plan was unacceptable to Israel and therefore the Green Line remains an armistice line. Israel is using the original names to SHOW ownership. The southern kingdom, the Kingdom of Judea was defeated by the Romans in 132 CE, at which time they changed the name to Palestina, after the Philistines from Greece [BTW: no mention of "Palestinians"]. The northern kingdom, Samaria, became known as the Kingdom of Israel. [BTW: still no mention of "Palestinians"] Are Syria and Egypt non entities as they are older? Or is Jordan suspect because it is approx the age of Israel? Stop playing games.

And your point is...? Once again: The 'green line' was always an armistice line, insisted as such by the arabs and accepted as such by Israel and the UN. Israel was legally formed by Israel. UN Resolution 181 was not accepted by the arabs. You cannot support your argument based on a resolution not accepted by all parties. You can rewrite history but you cannot rewrite the law.

All the borders changed as a result of peace treaties that were necessary because there had been a WAR, and the losers sued for peace. I know, you don't have to say it: the above is just a "minor detail" to you and can be ignored (something you do so well.)

“AIPAC currently has control of our congress and hence, [the US] State Dept.” LOL !!! Hahahahahahaha...! Finally you show proof that you know not of what you speak! Thank you! End of story!

Solomon, I had mentioned the issue of right of return and the 2002 initiative in a prior talkback. I agree that the right of return issue is a deficiency which I believe could be corrected by buying that right from the Palestinians for $70 billion( the overwhelming bulk of which would be funded by the international community.) If fairness was applied to things like water rights , borders ,Jerusalem etc, this could be solved, I think it is doable. In terms of your names , it is not your land. The Romans conquered Gaul thousands of years ago and that does not give Italy the right to claim France as its one. The games are pretending that international law sanctions your annexation. Even Israel's Supreme Court says it doesn't.