No chance for peace
Shoula Romano Horing
Published: 26.03.12, 11:38
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1. Ms. Horing
Palestinian   (03.26.12)
Israel was founded by gangs of Hagana, Irgun, Stern - Leah- once acknowledged, peace can be possible
2. No chance for peace
Betram ,   London, UK   (03.26.12)
The author of this piece asks: How much more bloodshed is necessary? The answer would appear to be: endless. This chimes with a well-established view that all nation-states are founded on violence of one kind or another. Even the great protector of Israel, the guardian of freedom and liberal democracy, was founded through the suppression of the native peoples and the violent exploitation of African slaves. Why should the Middle East be any different? Let's be clear about this: there no such thing as the legitimacy of nation-states. Might is right.
3. #1 Thank you
yesjb ,   Canada   (03.26.12)
You have just proven the author's point! Congratulations!
4. Daily Brainwashing of Military Occupation Experience
American Jew ,   New Jersey, USA   (03.26.12)
Several decades ... Duh! What would you learn & do, eh? This is not smart and not consistent with Judaism ...
5. No need to read article, just read talkbacks above
Ben ,   Paris, France   (03.26.12)
To post number one and two, if you believe that a single country raised without violence you seriously need to grow up! Now regarding Israel, she never advocated or promoted violence nor did she threatened any of her neighbors. Now the same is far from true from each and every neighbor of hers. The israeli constitution, claimed to live in peace with her neighbors, and give full rights to all her citizen. Now again the same could not be more the opposite from each and every neighbor of hers. There is an ongoing war in the middle east because no country in the region want to accept a small jewish state not even the PLO! The day arab nations will accept the jewish state, will be the day there will be peace. Until then, muslims will be brainwashed into hating the jewish state and non sense talkbacks will be posted on forums all over the internet.
6. Author has been brainwashed too
Acoording to her logic, USA should be bombed into submission because an American soldier has recently mudered 16 Afghan civilians. Enjoy your life in Kansas.
7. Reality
michaelpielet ,   israel   (03.26.12)
Shula, thanks. this is the rea;ity Now if the Israeli Jews would take their heads out of the sand and face reality, and the government would act accordingly then maybe this ever constant hatred of the Jew can be successfully fought and destroyed.
8. # 5 Arab Peace Initiative of 2002
Samy ,   Jerusalem, Palestine   (03.26.12)
Would end the conflict and normalizing relations between the entire arab / Islamic states (57states) with Israel Israel said BIG No without talking about it and how to make it happen.
9. Indeed, there is no chance for peace for one simple reason:
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (03.26.12)
Islam, the religion to which the vast majority of Arabs adhere, simply doesn't allow for any non-Muslim political entity to have sovereignty on ANY parcel of land between the Jordan River to the Med. Sea. The next best thing to peace, therefore, is a strict reliance on international law with which even Muslim-Arabs can live since they are "forced" by powerful elements - the international community in this case - to accept Israel's existence. And, the fundamental relevant international laws on the basis of which an accommodation of peaceful coexistence - not "peace", mind you!! - are as follows: 1) San Remo Conference decisions, 1920 2) League of Nations decisions, 1922 3) UN Charter, Article 80, 1945 4) UN Security Council Resolution, 242, 1967 In none of these elements is there a call for the setting up of an additional state between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea, and all of them are based on the partition of "Palestine" of 1921 and 1922 during which the Arabs were handed 77% of "Palestine", while the Jews 23%. http://www.mythsandfacts.com/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.pdf
10. Arab peace is the peace of the grave
Steve from Raleigh   (03.26.12)
That's ALL they have in store for Israel and for Jews world wide.
11. Great Article! Arabs show their true face everyday.
Jeffrey Korman ,   Douglaston, NY   (03.26.12)
Appeasers to evil are weak pathetic losers and we must thank great people like Netanyahu for standing in the face of so much pressure and giving so little. A little thanks to the Muslims for being such inverterate psycho Jew haters that made the Oslo suicide impossible.
12. quite a laundry list
StevieT ,   USA   (03.26.12)
Ms. Horing cites the following list that critics of current Israeli policy find confrontational. "the so-called occupation, the settlements, the zealot settlers, the road blocks, poverty, and a sense of humiliation and hopelessness among the Arabs" She then goes on to try to prove that changing these positions would be fruitless because the chances of peace are hopeless anyway. In other words, another, grander war is coming, so while were waiting, let's do whtever the heck we want to do and damn the diplomatic damage and damn the small (but still possible) chance for a peaceful breakthrough. Then she tries to make the case that being strong militarily and remaining aggressive against terror is mutually exclusive with peaceful gestures which is simply not true. Unless Israel is ready for the 'big one', I say she needs to maintain her military power, but at the same time, adopt policies that allow her to make every effort possible for a peaceful breakthrough.Hope should always remain alive.
13. #4,Smart US JeW,FDR had discoverered your trait of obeisanc
ab   (03.26.12)
he said :"don't t rock the boat!" and smart US Jews didn't and kept quiet on the fate of their relatives in the WW2 Europe. Now their grandchildren obey Bambi the Hutu and think themselves very,very smart
14. indoctrination and islam
marcel   (03.26.12)
obama of course skirts the main issue of religion as the primary root of conflict along with centuries of educational brainwashing as to the true nature of israel and the surrounding states. Moslem imams believe sincerely that to ensure their places in heaven they have to convert or kill infidels or non believers. I close my case. It is impossible to have real peace with moslem arabs except armistice or cold peace truces. Dreamers like oz, sternhall, susser, livni, burg are insecure jews who run to the non jew for security and support like livni runs to EU and obama which is an obnoxous display of begging. Israel should declare its sovereignty over judea and samaria sooner than later, arabs should be encouraged to move to jordan because the comding wars will see them decimated by hezbollah rockets and counterfire. They will have to sign forms indicating their departure is voluntary. Centuries of subjugation at the hands of non jewish leaders has left jews with a genetic strain of submissive, insecure and scared jews which has to be overcome. martial training and that goes for bibi and all the haredi to toughen hhim up, pistol training for all jews, education on israel independence and history, and encouragement of 5 kids or more per family along with some conversion of non jews should expand israel from 6 million jews to 10 million jews in the next 8 years. At that point,israel should put in its claim for 1/4 of jordan on the adjacent east bank of the jordan which was ancient israeli in regard to one of its tribes.
15. brainwashing
Avi   (03.26.12)
First of all you need a brain; afterwards you need to apply logic, common sense and so on however those who show any slight deviation from the murderous tendencies, fell victim by it…
16. You call it brainwashing
Sammy ,   Newcastle   (03.26.12)
I call it incitement - and much of it comes from outside Palestine of countries like Iran and that moron Nasrallah simply wanting to flan the flames of intolerance for their own purposes On both sides we have to redouble our efforts to 'accentuate the positive' in relations between Palestine and Israel not the odd heart warming story here and there but daily news features of mutual cooperation and interest to both sides so that over time it becomes 'normal' to regard each other as equal partners with identical and parallel interests Maybe a JOINT Israel Palestine Radio Station or TV Channel, setting up of Israel Palestine Working Committtess across a range of joint interests include cultural and sport and so on to help normalise relations and counter incitement
17. Talkbackers 1 and 2 are perfect examples
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (03.26.12)
They are perfect examples of how this brainwashing has been done. They have been fed lies by their leaders...in their mosques....newspapers,.....radio....tv....on the Internet......AND in their Quran. But maybe they would be surprised if they knew that in the Quran it says that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people.
18. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.26.12)
Haganah, Stern and Irgun targeted the British occupying forces. They did not target ersatz "Palestinians." Oh, don't even bother bringing up "Deir Yassin." Those terrorist scum got exactly what they deserved, and only after they had targeted innocent Jews. And not nearly in the numbers that you people love to throw about. Please tell me how peace can be possible with violent hordes that fire thousands of missiles at Israeli civilian population centers. Please tell me how peace can be possible with animals who slit the throats of a sleeping family of five, Including a three-month old infant. Suicide bombers? Rioters? Boulder throwers? Peace? You "people" do not know the meaning of the word. You are violent hyenas and jackals and until you change your vicious ways, any talk of "peace" is absurd. However, unless you change your ways, you have no future in Medinat Israel. Seven decades of your violence and terror have been quite enough. We are sick of your diseased mindset. We will put you down like the rabid hyenas and jackals that you have proven yourself to be. Do you understand? Start climbing the evolutionary ladder -- quickly -- or face the consequences you so richly deserve. We are quite tired of trying to educate you primitive and barbaric lot. Our patience is at an end.
19. SECURE BIG ISRAEL, nonviolent transfer, BALANCE, time, peace
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (03.26.12)
20. #8 No peace without Jewish majority Israel
Sam ,   Canada   (03.26.12)
The majority of Palestinians, according to the last poll I saw, reject living next to a Jewish majority Israel. (Israel is 75% Jewish) Yet Palestinians demand peace. Palestinians make no sense. What kind of peace do you expect Jews to accept?
21. #1 the war started, #8
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (03.26.12)
I doubt you are a "palestinian" if you don't know your own history. The war started as soon as the British imported foreign Arabs to attack the Jews and prevent Israel's formation. The model was you attack and murder innocent Jews, the British "evacuate" the Jewish survivors "for their own safety" Think Nebi Musa 1920, Yaffo 1921, and Jerusalem 1924 (later Hebron, Tsfat and Kfar Darom). Hagana and Lehi were organizations to defend the Jews against Arabs (remember Haj Amin's fedayeen from 1919) and the British occupation forces. #8 what peace initiative? Read Fatah, Hamas and PLO charters.
22. To: No. 8
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.26.12)
No one is really interested in "normalizing" relations with abnormal people. That would be the Arabs. You are all a violent, belligerent and terrorist lot. Have you forgotten that in 2000, the ersatz "Palestinians" rejected an offer of a two-state solution which would have awarded you 95% of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital? You violent lot thought that starting the second intifada was a much better idea. There is no reasoning with your poisoned souls. We are far better off without your toxic presence, and we will send you elsewhere. COUNT ON IT. Our patience is at an end. You have only your violent selves to blame.
23. Arab Peace Initiative = No jewish state
Ben ,   Paris, France   (03.26.12)
Jews were a minority for over 2,000 years and bad stuff happened. The jewish history pushed its people to seek their own country ... where it once was to live in peace with its neighbors ... just like the constitution states. Respect the jewish history and culture just like muslims want to be respected. Splitting the land is the solution for two states for two people. The history shows that Israel/Palestine is no more jewish than muslim. That means respect both or assume to be against peace!
24. No chance for peace
Yosef Y ,   USA   (03.26.12)
Shulamit, Right on ! Yours is another in the series of blistering, insightful and intelligent articles that should be multiplied in the sometimes criminally leftist media. The ultra-sophisticated demonizing of Israel and Jew-baiting more insiduous than even Goebbels Nazi brain washing propaganda are a fact. Millions of Jews and non Jews have become inured to this. Countless of newbee Antisemitic,ignorant masses world wide have become an automatic stamp of approval in the UN, educational institutions, economic boycotts etc. The only solution IS force of arms, but Israel's greatest enemy - its own cowardly government is about to miss that too...
25. #18 Right on Sarah B!
Helene Barnes ,   Ramat Gan Israel   (03.26.12)
26. The media ignores the racist lies&incitement in the PA&Hamas
PETER SM ,   AUSTRALIA   (03.26.12)
and Islamic world Media.Even the Israeli media,not just the leftist ones, ignore what is readily available in Arabic and English on MEMRI Who are they helping?
27. Peace?
Bertram ,   London, UK   (03.26.12)
All the preceding talkbacks reinforce my point. But let us get real. I support the existence of Israel 100% but not on the basis of some notion of 'legitimacy' - biblical, historical or otherwise. If the principle of 'legitimacy' was the rule, the map of the world would look completely different from what it does now. No, I support Israel because the Jewish people needed a secure homeland given its history of subjugation and extermination elsewhere. But let's not kid ourselves. Jabotinsky, not exactly a darling of the left, recognised that securing such a homeland in Palestine would involve subjugation of the existing non-Jewish population. The point is that Israel will eventually need to arrive at some accommodation with the nations which surround it. Or become resigned to a new Masada.
28. Peace is only possible through resounding Israeli victory.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.26.12)
The path to peace for Israel is obvious. It is the same path which created permanent peace in post WW II Europe and Asia. It was the total resounding victory of Allies over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan which brought peace. Had the Allies engaged in "peace talks" with the Nazis and Japanese, what is left of the world would all speak German. Israel's path to peace is the same: total resounding victory over "Palestinians". No concessions whatsoever.
29. #9 It took me a while to read your post+citation but it has
Tamar ,   Halifax, Canada   (03.26.12)
been the best thing I have read in a very long time. Thanks
30. #27 What accommodation should Israel accept?
Sam ,   Canada   (03.26.12)
I hear again and again from people living in the West that Israel needs to reach an accommodation with the Palestinians. What accommodation can Israel make when Palestinians reject the existence of a Jewish majority Israel? The ignorance and naivete of the West shows through again and again.
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