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Gunter Grass lashes out at 'campaign' over Israel-Iran poem
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Published: 05.04.12, 23:21
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31. @27, comrad
Jan ,   Germany   (04.06.12)
I noticed that many of you Americans and Canadians don't know a thing about us Germans. You are full of prejudices. You probably never met a German. You have probably never been to Germany. But you think you can judge on them. You are like Guenter Grass. You don't know what you are talking about, so you just say anything that please your ignorcance. You generalize and you are proud of it. Shame.
32. LOSE DA HATE
DA RAP ARTIST ,   SAFED OPERA HOUSE   (04.06.12)
Yo mate let's all lose da hate we all lose when we accuse it's all a ruse to give us da blues the jews so don't be a no good mother 'let s learn to live with one another .
33. #25 german - no comparison (also see post #27)
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.06.12)
The hateful reaction to the danish Mohamed cartoons included riots, murder and mayhem. Innocents in different parts of the world were killed. And, as usual, the world accepted this as a ‘normal’ reaction thereby treating Muslims as children entitled to riot at any pretext. Iran challenged anyone condemning the rioting by having a competition for anti-semitic cartoons; “let’s see what the Jews do” he said. Well, there were protests. But NO rioting, NO killing, NO terrorism. Same here. What you see is real free speech (see post #27). NO rioting, NO killing, NO terrorism. What happened to your level of common sense? You are not using your brain. THAT SIMPLE !
34. He's not an ex-nazi
Phil ,   USA   (04.06.12)
Grass has never been an ex-nazi. This waffen SS criminal has always remained a nazi---although he has denied it for all of these years. Like so many nazis who escaped punishment for crimes against humanity, he has become a leftist so thathe can continue to ad vocate another extermination campaign against the Jews. His feigned outrage is only to divert attention from his statements. This is the problem with the Nobel prize. The judges who pick the winners are all basing their votes on their personal beliefs.
35. Bravo Gunter Grass
Argonne 18 ,   Los Angeles, USA   (04.06.12)
Jews only roads. Jews only towns, Jews only laws. Rubber bullets. Live bullets, Gas. Home demolitions, F16s, F15s, Apaches, tanks, checkpoints, orchard uprootings, racist marriage and citizenship laws. Invasions, assasinations, beatings, humilliations, nuclear weapons and threats, Spying. Imprisonment without trial indefinitely.Wars. Leibenstraum....Aryan chosen people racial and religious doctrines. What do you call it????
36. #35...You must be Charly Manson on the run...
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (04.06.12)
HOW did you make it out ???
37. #31 jan
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.06.12)
Some of us do know about Germans and have met many good people. I met some of the younger generation while living in Israel; they were students to Protestant ministry that were there thanks to the Nietzche Foundation, learning about Jews and Judaism. Please don't ascribe any posts to speak for everyone...even mine.
38. @37
Jan ,   Germany   (04.06.12)
Well, Solomon, I just noticed that there are many stereotypes and prejudices concerning Germans. _SOME_ people here do exactly the same stuff as Mr. Grass. He is an old man with a weird moral. But he does not speak for the entire German nation. Your news do not give your the whole picture. Grass is under attack from the right and left. Sure there are people who agree on his "thesis". But you will find stupidity everywhere on earth. Nevertheless, let me assure you, people like me (and I am not the minority) don't agree with Grass. I know that Achmadinedschah is a dangerous man. And I understand that Israel will protect its people. So, I am with you.
39. #35 What do I call it?
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (04.06.12)
Heaven on Earth. Should have taken the 2-state solution when it was offered in 48, eh?
40. #38 jan
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.07.12)
We sometimes [always?] get only part of the story. Thank you for calling us out when we have it wrong, or at least not balanced. Don't stop.
41. #35 argonne
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.07.12)
Rockets, mortars, anti-tank rockets shooting down school buses, murder, suicide bombers, bus bombs, racist marraige and citizenship laws, invasions, assasinations, beatings, throwing people off roof tops, hiding behind women and children, beatings, humiliations, threats, imprisonment without trial, wars, ad infinitum. What do you call it? Arabs and Muslims who hate Israel and won't open their eyes to their own actions. This includes yourself. Keep you eyes tightly closed as won't like what you see if you dare open them.
42. hypocrite
matthias ,   minneapolis, usa   (04.07.12)
"Its members initially volunteered, but after 1944, as Germany's military strength was weakening, members were drafted at random from the male population. Grass, who had volunteered for the submarine forces at the age of 15 to "get away from the family" but had been rejected, was recruited into the SS in the winter of 1944-45." from a telegraph.co.uk article. I am not sure if your argument is valid looking at the age and the situation. Also some US citizens have done war atrocities and became some big politicians. your answer is a little to simplified.
43. @40 Solomon
Jan ,   Germany   (04.07.12)
Right now, the situation is getting weirder and weirder... Mr. Grass said that the media is "gleichgeschaltet", a term used by the Nazis when they gained power over Germany. So basically, he accuses the _free_ media to be somehow manipulated and to repress his opinion. The situation in Germany is pretty weird. We got a "new" antisemitism carried out by some members of the left-wing and we got a new extremly right-wing (the new nazis?) who pretend to defend Israel and attack all Muslims. Both sides don't speak for the German majority, but nevertheless - I admit - it is scary. Finally, I see Israels situation. Your people were victims of our ancestors. The Shoa and all the pogroms that had happened before. Israel and its people deserve peace. They should never suffer again or live in fear. Shalom.
44. #43 jan - Thanks. Peace. Shalom.
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.07.12)
45. True to tradition that has prevailed in Grass's part of the
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (04.07.12)
world, the poet has come out, right before Pessah, when Jews celebrate their liberty from slavery, and, with a minor subtle twist, doesn't accuse the Jews this time of killing Christian children in order to bake with their blood the Pessah special matzah bread. He, instead, accuses the Jewish people's nation-state of about to kill Iranian children this time. Grass of course could have inserted into his opinion-poetic column a call upon the rulers of Iran to cease calling for the mass murder of Jewish children in Israel, but he didn't do so. Nor did he call upon the Iranian rulers to cease denying the Jewish Holocaust that Germany inflicted upon the Jews, since he could bring a first-hand testimony, having been a volunteer Waffern SS member, that such acts are horribly and should not be repeated, neither by German or by Iran. But the "humanist" Grass has chosen to be traditional; to follow his forefathers and mothers and with a modern twist, accuse the Jews, once again, of being blood thirsty. This is the face of a Nobel Laureate, which reminds one: Mr. Yasser Arafat, with a lot of Jewish blood on his hands, also received the honor...
46. Grass
Moragh   (04.10.12)
Who the hell is this grass old-boy? another looney escaped from the bin?
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