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The Arab-Muslim narrative
David Ha'ivri
Published: 10.04.12, 11:03
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31. Philos - a "simple question"
Yitz   (04.10.12)
Why did you blatant and expressis verbis antisemtiic clichés and remarks in the past? (Not now, but on past discussions here on Ynet???) I reckon only enemies do this. Hmmm....
32. palestinian people
Haim ,   The netherlands/lely   (04.10.12)
about 50% of the arabs you call palestinians are from EGYPT & 40% are BEDUIN people from SAUDY arabia.we have a lot of arab families in Israel by the name EL MASRI( the egyptions). ARAFAT was born in Egypte!!! haj AMIN AL HUSSEINY was born in IRAK.i feel sorry for you my friend for wasting so meny years fighting for people that doesn't exist:(. yyou can find info allover the intenet just look for it..
33. People of the Book
meshell ,   tulsa USA   (04.10.12)
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the chiefs of Israel went up: 10 And they saw the God of Israel; and under his feet there was, as it seemed, a jewelled floor, clear as the heavens. 11 And he put not his hand on the chiefs of the children of Israel: they saw God, and took food and drink. Exodus 24
34. obvious
obvious name ,   tonga   (04.10.12)
This simple fact that the arabs miss the sence of reality known to everyone who bothered to notice it should have been a driving force in determining how to deal with them. The answer should have been - in the same way how they would have dealt with us if they had power. Not in the way how we _like_ dealing with them to have a fuzzy feeling deep inside that we act according to our rules. They understand, respect and actually looking forward to be dealt differently. Send them all away where they belong. There is plenty of empty space available in Arabia and Egypt.
35. Ross #17 Your science is faulty
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (04.10.12)
The truth of the matter is that yes there is scientific evidence of a people we now refer to as Jews living in what was then Greater Israel (read Jordan and modern Israel). There are genetic markers of the priestly tribe (Cohens) that can be traced all the way back to the people of Israel and links every true Cohen around the world regardless of what their other ethnicities might be. National Geographic has conducted a genetic family tree study that emphasises this. In addition there are archeological records of an Israel (Jewish) tribe living in the area. This can be backed up with literature of the day. There are records of Jews written by non-Jews. Do some research before spouting your world view as gospel.
36. #15 Gideon
Jordan Ariel ,   Philadelphia PA   (04.10.12)
Absolutely loved the Bajoran/Cardassian reference! Made my day.
37. Something is missing here
BH ,   Iowa   (04.10.12)
Where are the great Muslim leaders Olmert and Barak? Come on if they want Moshe, Livni is part of the deal.
38. If the author knew what the word Islam means
RS ,   Canada   (04.10.12)
he would not have written this drivel. Islam in Arabic means complete and peaceful submission to God or Allah or Elohim or whatever you want to call him. To embrace Islam means to place oneself confidently in the hands of God, without a care in the world except to worship him, serve him, and do good. If you have confidence in your religion, why attack others' beliefs? The author bases his entire argument on the observations made by one old man a few year ago. From here, he establishes that this is the case for all Muslims and Arabs. And what is really funny, is that the author believes his own lie!
39. Peace and lies can not co-exist.... Israel must put JEWISH..
WAQF Barf ,   Israel   (04.10.12)
tour guides on top of Har Habiyit and only Israeli licensed guides should "tell the story" of the the Temple Mount. And this should be the same for all areas in Israel (including H&S). TOO many tourists become Israel hating anti-semitics because of the total BS stories they are told by "Pali" history revisionists & propaganda artists. People who lie and lead BS tours should be fined and put in jail.
40. The WHOLE Mislim religion and Pali narative is Ponzi scheme
Sara ,   Israel   (04.10.12)
One lie based on another upon another until the whole sytem collapses upon itself.
41. #17 ross (re #35)
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.10.12)
In addition, there is plenty of archeological evidence, if you would bother to look for it. Try Biblical Archeology Review for starters.
42. Mohammed NEVER NEVER NEVER went came to Israel and he never
David ,   Israel   (04.10.12)
went to the Temple Mount. The whole muslim story is a lie. They know it too. That is why they dug out everything they could from inside the Temple Mount and go nuts when anyone even lifts a rock anywhere near there. Under every rock is a new JEWISH treasure waiting to be discovered.
43. To#36 Jordan
Gideon Reader   (04.10.12)
Daymaking is what Ah does. Every day ah makes a day. "Days Made Cheap" says the sign over the door. Now the next OBVIOUS reference should be the question to the Mufti: "Seeing as how the IDF is the most powerful army in the region and it can blow your head, or butt clean off; do you feel lucky punk, er, I mean Muff (Friends can call each by their nick names. Mine is Nick), well,...do ya'?"
44. Very Good article! And very true...
Yochi ,   Germany   (04.10.12)
45. Also blame Israeli government for not putting a stop to this
Israeli Side Story ,   ????   (04.10.12)
a long time ago. Of course Arabs are going to lie. That's the only weapon they have. But the damage would have been limited if the ISRAELI gov't had made an effort to counter it with the TRUTH. THIS is Israel's own fault. Not enough that a few honest Jews and Christians try to tell the world... It has to be supported by an official government effort. This is OUR country and YES, by International Law!
46. This Everest of lies>>>
HaifaGuy   (04.10.12)
>is about to collapse because unlike the Himalayan giant, this one has its center of gravity outside its perimeter. I just hope that this heap of doodoo falls right on the heads that had conceived it and have been nourishing it all these years. Arabs, and Nour No State, especially: get ready for your own demise.
47. Jewish narrative
observer ,   Egypt   (04.10.12)
It's true that there has always been a miniscule Jewish colony in Israel-Palestine, but the majority of the founders of the modern state of Israel came from abroad. Are the majority of immigrants who style themselves Jews, in fact, Jews? the present-day Palestinians are far more likely the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/ Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi populace. Jews of North Africa originated in indigenous tribes that became Jewish - and not in communities exiled from Jerusalem. Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html when Solomon had built the temple, had sacrificed and prayed to God, God said to him (I Kings 9:3), "I have heard your prayer and your supplications ... I have consecrated this house," etc.; but then he added shortly thereafter: "But if you turn aside from following me ... and do not keep my commandments ... then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them; and the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples."
48. It's come to the horrid situation
ME ,   Germany   (04.10.12)
that when I try to tell people the history of Israel, I get skeptical, condescending looks, and people actually say they don't know if they believe my version or the Arabic version they get from the media.
49. To: No. 47
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.10.12)
There you go again, stupidly co-opting material from non-credible sources. The ersatz "Palestinians" are indigenous to the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert. Get it? "Arabs" come from "Arabia." Jews, on the other hand, come from the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. The Jews who came from North African countries arrived their either following the expulsion of Jews from the Iberian Peninsula or as a result of the expulsion in 72 C.E. and the somewhat larger expulsion in 136 C.E. Why don't you do a little research on the "Cohen gene?" Thoroughly amazing how Jews from Western Europe, Eastern Europe, the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, Africa, Latin America who identify themselves as Cohanim share a very particular common genetic marker, isn't it?
50. Deconstructing Egypt(Observer, observe this:)
HaifaGuy   (04.11.12)
From now on, the world should refrain from using the words Egypt and Egyptian unless referring to the ancient kingdoms of the pharaohs or the Copts (kemt-copt-kubt-gypt >>Egypt) who are the only remaining true bearers of that once proud name. The Arabs who occupy the Nile Delta and the surrounding deserts are to be referred to as the Masri(-es) and the country is to be renamed as El-Masr. Any historical claims these people may have to the pyramids and other remnants of Ancient Egyptian heritage must be discarded and denounced as false to the core. Isn't it ironic (thanx, Alanis) that the only source of income these Masries rely on besides sales of natural gas (or its sabotage) is pan-handling around historical monuments to which they have ZERO affinity? So, zalami, your new and updated nickname is: Observer, El-Masr Enjoy.
51. 47
Bill ,   New York, USA   (04.11.12)
What you gonna do, what you gonna do, what you gonna do . . . when Egypt runs out of foreign currency? Good luck preventing total economic collapse.
52. Very interesting article, unusual approach, useful reading!
Flavio ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (04.11.12)
53. 97% of the people you call Israelis
lydia ,   Brisbane   (04.11.12)
Are migrants. Most of the modern dayJewish convert and squatters hail from Eastern Europe and have nothing to do with th ME
54. 42. Israel NEVER NEVER NEVER existed before 1948
lydia ,   Brisbane   (04.11.12)
So Mohammed could have visited Israel for it never existed in your fairy book world.
55. REMOVAL hostile MAGNET buildings Temple Mount ACT OF PEACE!!
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (04.11.12)
56. #38 RS
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.11.12)
Best you speak to your fellow Moslems. Those that believe what you say about Islam seem to have disappeared. The others don't seem to agree with you. The article is not based on theory but on fact; on the reality that surrounds us. Open your eyes and you will understand. But you won't like what you see.
57. Observer make up your minds who you are on which day
PETER SM ,   AUSTRALIA   (04.11.12)
Hamas just told Egypt that Hamastan is half Egyptians and half Saudis.the When are you going to sell to your brothers fuel instead of getting Israel to do it.? Never heard of Zakaat? Let us know if you need the Pillars explained to you!
58. #54 Palestine never existed, except as a name
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for a non-existent entity.
59. #53 who cares? they are the rulers of the roost, now !!
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60. to 50 and 51
baha ,   jerusalem   (04.11.12)
egyptians are do proud about their country to be msri it is not related to ecovomic statue or the religion or the languade it is related to the land -- it is the culture which you can not understand
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