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Woman in group sex case denies being raped
Eli Senyor
Published: 19.04.12, 23:46
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1. only in Israel sex on the beach makes headline news
zionist forever   (04.19.12)
When I was a teenager in the UK lots of my friends went had sex with their girlfriends on the beach. If they had been caught in the act the police would have given them a smack on the risk and probably given them a lecture on safe sex, the closest it would come to the media is if they were witnessed by somebody and they wrote letter to the local newspaper moaning about it. In this case it was one woman with multiple partners but at the end of the day providing everybody consented then its still just sex on the beach which goes on all over the world and is perfectly harmless so why does it warrant such media coverage?
2. Oh! so let's all go bang on the beach!
Talula ,   Israel   (04.19.12)
3. to#1 zionist forever
exUK ,   Tel Aviv   (04.19.12)
Firstly I dont believe you are who you sasy you are.Secondly,I lived in the UK for 65 years and this is news to me .Maybe privately in the dark,but no way in broasd daylight with all ages being able to watch including children.If you think that is OK you need your head examining!
4. Not for nothing, but ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
.... I'd be curious to know the age of the woman. The boys in question are minors, and if she is not, then it's statutory rape and she should be prosecuted. Cuts both ways, folks!
5. To: Zionist Forever at No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
The boys are minors. If the woman is not, that's a problem.
6. The anti Israel inciting publication needed no evidence
PETER SM ,   AUSTRALIA   (04.20.12)
for a banner headline yelling rape and twist the story, leaving the Israel haters a field day for posting their mindless excuse for comments and slogans.. Not surprisingly comrade editor limits and frequently omits responses to incitement & lies. They can say anything about Jews and Israel but responses are largely verborten,all the while claiming they advocate free speech.
7. In Israel, a woman can do no wrong.
Tahl   (04.20.12)
Had the genders in this case been reversed, i.e. a 35-year-old man would strip naked on the beach and start to feel up some underage girls, seduce one of them and have consensual sex with her with everyone watching - he would have been crucified, no doubt about that. The police would rush to the scene and arrest him, he would be severely beaten up, his name and picture would promptly enough be all over the media, and everyone would call him a dangerous pedophile, a rapist, a perv, and wish him to be raped in prison. However when the exact same case happens with a woman filling this spot, doing these very same things with underage boys - she is considered a victim, and the underage boys are taken for questioning by the police. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
8. Dear Sarah B.
Israeli 2   (04.20.12)
You may be the best lawyer in the entire world and your talkbacks are second to none, but on this issue I disagree with you vehemently. Boys are boys. They are not females. THEY perform not the woman. Making boys equal to women is a big mistake. Rape can occur ONLY when a male is willing to do his part - a woman cannot force it upon a male (last I heard). Holding females at equal footing as a male is where one says: Men and women are EQUAL! How is that logical? They are different physically, mentally and spiritually...and that's the way Hashem, Yishtabach Shmo wants it.
9. I wish I had sex on the beach :(
Mark ,   NC, USA   (04.20.12)
10. Beach Sex
Heeb ,   Delray beach   (04.20.12)
Big deal, people do this on Florida beachs where I live all the time... Yawn
11. Woman in group sex case denies being raped
Amram Yosef ,   Petach Tikva, Israel   (04.20.12)
If this was a case of consensual sex, then wouldn't it be a felonious offense on the part of the woman given that children under 18 years of age were involved?
12. Reality Check
SNS   (04.20.12)
1) Men/boys can be raped by women. Just because a male has an erection does not mean it is not rape. An erection is a physiological reaction and does not define whether or not a sexual act is rape or not. It is rape when the male does not or can not consent. 2) There are victims of sexual violence (female and male) that will say that they were not raped/abused even when they have been. This can occur in instances of someone who was victimized at an early age and goes on to see themselves as a sexual object and nothing else. It can occur when there is a cognitive or psychological disability. It can occur when someone engages in sexual activity (and can not give true consent) is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. 3) No woman wants to have sex with a group of men, one after another unless she has already been hurt so badly that she can not see herself any other way. Even if she says otherwise. The men who had sex with her, who watched and egged on the others committed acts of sexual violence, regardless of their age.
13. To: Israeli 2 at No. 8
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
First of all, thank you for your kind words. However .... 1. Women are active participants in any sexual act. If your experience has been different, you have my sympathies. Keep looking for your beshert. 2. You hit the nail on the head -- boys are boys. They are NOT men. 3. Statutory rape occurs when one of the parties to a sexual act is a minor. Doesn't matter if it is the male or the female in the equation (assuming heterosexual sex), or the male or the male, or the female or the female (assuming homosexual sex). Statutory rape deals exclusively with age, and the issue of whether sex was consensual or not is irrelevant. 4. The subject of "equality" of the sexes is a slippery slope, dear. It's really not an issue you want to debate with me. 5. Shabbat shalom.
14. To: Heeb at No. 10
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
Adults that do it on the beach is, I agree, fairly commonplace. It doesn't make it any more pleasant to have to observe, particularly unwittingly. Public lewdness is about the most that two consenting adults can be charged with. On the other hand -- even in the sophisticated confines of Delray Beach -- if one of the sexual partners is a minor, the adult partner gets taken away in handcuffs, isn't that correct? (You don't have to answer that; I NEVER ask a question to which I do not already know the answer). Congratulations! The one who is not the minor just graduated from a misdemeanor to a felony, a prison term and a requirement to register as a sex offender FOR THE REST OF HIS OR HER LIFE.
15. A question:
rom ,   israel   (04.20.12)
Will someone please explain what the difference is between seduction and rape (in legal terms, I mean).
16. This is not America
Mickey Hala ,   Kochav Ya'ir, Israel   (04.20.12)
This is not America. (Thank G_d) This is not a place where we imagine a boy being raped when he was just having fun. Americans are too uptight about everything. Relax. You have your own HUGE problems Sara.
17. To: No. 16
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
Statutory rape is strictly age-based, you dolt. And if you think that three boys committing sexual acts with someone too drunk to know or realize what she is doing equates to "having fun," then you are one pretty sick puppy. Get some help.
18. # 16
Birdi ,   Israel   (04.20.12)
Even if you say the boys were having fun. Sarah B is correct in saying it is considered statutory rape in Israel if the boys are aged 15.
19. #13
Tomek ,   Poland   (04.20.12)
Because minors cannot give consent, there is no such thing like consensual sex in statutory rape cases.
20. I think all T/B's are seeing this issue wrongly :
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (04.20.12)
This is a clear case of public disturbance - do we really need to see sexual intercourse on the beach in public? It is a lewd act in public. Do our children really need to see this ? Where are your morals and decency ? Shame and shame on the observers that didn't break it up....
21. To: No. 19
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
Thank you for repeating exactly what I said. Do you have anything new and intelligent to contribute, or is parroting and mimicry the extent of your abilities?
22. To: Amram at No. 11
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.20.12)
It is ALWAYS felonious assault when sexual congress with minors are involved. The legal term is "statutory rape." Why else do you think this woman scrambled for cover by insisting she wasn't raped? She's the one at fault here. The boys may be guilty of being boys -- their parents are guilty of considerably more -- but yes, no matter how drunk or impaired you are, sex with a minor is deemed to never be consensual. Much as it pains me to say this (on a certain level, anyway), the woman is the one guilty of felony rape. Someone should have told Mohammed; perhaps Aisha would not have been cruelly violated at the tender age of nine.
23. I didn't know my old girlfriend was in Israel now.
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (04.20.12)
But thanks be to G-d, I was able to escape her evil clutches.
24. A Shander of the first order....
Koose E Mack ,   NY NY   (04.20.12)
So tell me, can you give me her phone number? Also, does she have any friends or sisters?
25. #21
Tomek ,   Poland   (04.20.12)
Drop the attitude. You do not own this site. You stated: "and the issue of whether sex was consensual or not is irrelevant. " I hope you realize by now that the issue is not just irrelevant. The issue does not exist. Two different things.
26. US teachers have been jailed female and male
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (04.21.12)
for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
27. Quite right Sarah!
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (04.21.12)
28. Trouble with sex on beach is that sand makes it uncomfortable
Alan ,   SA   (04.21.12)
29. To: No. 25
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.21.12)
Oh, the issue very definitely exists. This woman can go to prison over it -- you bet it exists. This isn't something where there's a mutual agreement that yes, the boys were minors and yes, the woman was reportedly impaired. A crime was committed -- why don't you crawl back under your rock and contemplate issues more your speed? Here, I'll help: "When a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it fall, does it make a sound?" Oops, no -- too complex. Here's another one: Is Wile E. Coyote entitled to punitive damages from the Acme Anvil Company?
30. sex on the beach.
miri ,   miami/t,a.   (04.23.12)
to mickey. i am the first to defend Israel. i adore Israel. ehether this little party on the beach was consensual or not, it did not belong in public view. this young woman needs help if she allowed this to happen willingly. wrong is wrong anyplace.
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