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'Nakba Day'? Not in our classroom
Tzvika Brot
Published: 16.05.12, 12:38
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1. Secular Neturai Kart universities should not get money
(05.16.12)
from the government. They are a danger to Israel's existence and should be ousted from Israel.
2. Ant--Israel events on campus
Alfredo ,   Raanana   (05.16.12)
Rather than collective punishment, the salaries of those who gave the permission should be reduced/cut. It is about time that Jews behave normaly, and normal people do not support those who want to kill them.
3. Mind boggling. Wake up Israel!!!
Ram ,   London   (05.16.12)
4. Fouling their own nest....
tiki ,   belgium   (05.16.12)
They should be shut up and not be funded under the 'drained meaning of 'free speech, which has become the synonyme for 'hate speech & incitement!
5. Not in our classroom, NOT IN ISRAEL
Robert ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
At last, something good is starting to come out from the Isreaeli Knesset. Israel should have NEVER financed THOSE (no matter who they are) who benefit from our tax payers and keep spitting on Medinat Israel.
6. Exactly...
Gabriel ,   Tel Aviv   (05.16.12)
Who needs freedom of speech anyway? This new trend to try to silence people is disturbing. I am a Zionist but I am a Zionist because I believe in Israel as a Democratic society. When we start trying to silence people because we disagree with them, we start to slip towards dictatorship.
7. Higher education should only be for those
jason white ,   afula, israel   (05.16.12)
people that completed or are in the middle of service in the I.D.F. Let the others study and stay abroad.
8. i would go
gdfathermax ,   tel aviv israel   (05.16.12)
so far as to stop any jews from working in israel who support this anti israel venom
9. Commemmorating "Naqba" Day
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.16.12)
If the Arabs want to mourn, let them do it at universities in Cairo, Amman, or anywhere else throughout the Arab world. There is no place for such activities at Israeli universities, any more than a British or French university would tolerate a program mourning Germany's loss in World War II. The Arabs' "loss" happens to have been Israel's victory in a war that the Arabs started. They can tear their hair and gnash their teeth and wring their hands to their hearts' content. Just not at an Israeli university or, if you'd like my opinion, anywhere in Medinat Israel. If they choose to villify Israel's victory in a war for which they were responsible, they are free to take a day trip anywhere in the Arab world and shed their crocodile tears there. There is legitimate protest, and there is sedition. Any commemmoration of "Naqba" Day on Israeli soil goes well beyond freedom of expression. It qualifies as sedition and, should the "commemmorations" grow violent, as so often they do, it becomes treasonous behavior. Just another example of the ersatz "Palestinians" refusing to take responsibility for their actions -- no matter how adverse the outcome, it is the product of their choices. Perhaps the time has come for them to examine the choices they have made, not the end product. But that would require a degree of self-assessment and introspection of which they are simply not capable. None of the foregoing is Israel's fault, though, is it? We were not responsible for the fact that five Arab armies attacked the nascent reborn State of Israel the day after Israel's declaration of statehood. They could have had a state of their own at the same time. But no, they chose to go to war instead, despite the fact that the United Nations awarded them the lion's share of the territory in question. It's not Israel's fault that we won that war -- and five more since. We have nothing to apologize for, and we should not tolerate these ridiculous invented commemmorative days. Call it what it is -- "We made a horrible decision day, but it was our decision to make day." Calling it anything else is just evidence of ersatz "Palestinian" denial of responsibility for anything. That's another well-documented trait they have, by the way.
10. The bill will be stopped,"Haaretz"&Co'll see to it
ab   (05.16.12)
EU will also express "worry about curtailing academical freedom in Israel" .Perhaps Ashton will herself will express it
11. #6 a good question
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (05.16.12)
Who needs freedom of speech? That is an excellent question. When they shut down Arutz 7, the High Court ruled that only the people the High Court sanctions are allowed freedom of speech. So don't worry, soon the High Court will order that the government subsidize all Nakba events that mourn the failure of the combined Arab armies to exterminate the Jews.
12. Hypcorisy!
Jake in Jerusalem ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.16.12)
Such irony! Everyone seems to have forgotten that 100 years ago, when Hebron and Jerusalem were recognized by everyone everywhere as ancient Jewish cities, Tel Aviv was a new "settlement" stealing land from local Arabs. Tel Aviv University itself is infamously situated atop a former Arab village. The Hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze!
13. Arabs usurp everything Jewish and Israeli,
Keren ,   IL-BR   (05.16.12)
...everything that is made up in good faith or is characteristic of Jews ,as Jewish chutzpah to democracy, for example,they transform in arms against ourselves. It is VERY disgusting to ANY Jew,being him or her right,middle or any "wing",to watch such an outrageous manifestation in our midst. Everyone of those who participated in such manifestation,should be forcebly sent to Arabia for some 3 months .If they are back and behave,they can stay in Israel,DOING ISRAEL'S ARMY SERVICE;if not,they should have their Israeli citizenship revoked and go to live among the ones they can cry in unison. NOT IN ISRAEL!
14. sadly I don't see this passing
zionist forever   (05.16.12)
The university itself was not organizing the protest it jut allowed a right for the students to protest on its campus without actually taking any side one way or another. The right to protest about Nakba or anything else has always been permitted so I think in this case the university will win the day. I think the best that anybody can hope for is the university will be to scared to allow protests next year because I doubt there are any legal grounds to withhold money.
15. Who'd known? People of The Book are getting seychel at last!
tom ,   tel aviv   (05.16.12)
16. #6 Big difference
Alex   (05.16.12)
There's a big difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. The Nakba events being the latter. Imagine Germans mourning that Hitler didn't exceed in killing all Jews, the Nakba day is mourning the fact that the Arabs didn't manage to kill enough Jews to prevent the establishment of Israel.
17. to #6
nadav ,   tlv   (05.16.12)
I am zionist and want to see israel as a democratic, secular state, but I do not think that PUBLICLY funded universities, such as TAU, should receive government funds and allow racist, anti-semitic, or violent calls to "mourn" the creation of the very state that allows these cretins to thrive in our State. The Arabs that support Nakba can do it in their own towns on NON-public lands! BTW, Jordan banned Nakba and the PLO and that country is almost 80% "palestinian..."
18. To #9
Bertram ,   London, UK   (05.16.12)
Let's get serious, Sarah B, and drop all this 'ersatz' nonsense which has clearly addled your thinking. Are you seriously suggesting that the current generation should have responsibility for the actions of previous generations? Should you be punished for the sins of your father? Maybe you have a biblical turn of mind and you think you should. In any case, apart from those commtted to political Zionism, for many centuries Jews did not see Eretz Yisrael as their natural home. Sure, 'Next Year in Jerusalem' was always part of the liturgy, but 'Jerusalem' existed more as a symbol of freedom and emancipation. Does this mean that Israel should never have come into existence. Of course not. But if we deny others their voice where there is a genuine perception of having been subjected to a historical injustice, even if that voice is sometimes hurtful, and even if we think there is no justification for it to be expressed, then we have no right to proclaim our democratic credentials.
19. Why teach students to be traitors...?
Beary White ,   Norway   (05.16.12)
.. sure they will ignate more trouble when they pass trhough puberty period and into the terror-life.,lasting till their death. Stop the nakba madness..
20. Wrong shortsighted solution!
Maurice ,   Montreal   (05.16.12)
Universities are the future of a country, cutting funding from universities is a shortsighted solution. What needs to be done is remove from the university management those who allow these anti-Israel demonstrations to happen. Either penalize them financially, or replace them altogether by new managers.
21. #6 - This is not about free speech
William ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
Free speech is fine and protected on campus in Israel but hatred and denial of history and human rights of an ethnic group (Jews) by another ethnic group (Arabs) is anathema to free speech. It is myopic people like you who believe allowing sedition and incitement is the cornerstone of a healthy democracy and allow those in our own govt to join our enemies calling for our own destruction. You sleep at night well feeling better about your ideology when the rest of us suffer.
22. #18 - Jews were targeted in history for being Jews
William ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
Sometimes hated as the outsider, sometimes targeted by others to replace the "Chosen People", but never because Jews waged war or tried to take over the history/land of another person. Equating our own history of injustice with the outcome of a genocidal war which Arabs started is retarded, at best. The Nakba is all about not succeeding in winning the war against Jews in the region, and thankfully so. Arabs admitted their goal was that Jewish blood would rush through the streets like a river. Do you really think we should show empathy for this, on the same order as the UK should show empathy for Neo-Nazis who mourn that Hitler didn't destroy and occupy Europe, including the UK?? Don't be stupid.
23. Nakba?
pnina ,   tsafon   (05.16.12)
Well, war is hell, isn't it? Both sides suffer, but ultimately there is always a winner and a loser. The Arabs lost, and lost again and again, etc. It seems to me that it's time they woke up, stopped wallowing in the past and started building their future based upon reality, not nostalgic pipe dreams.
24. "GENUINE PERCEPTION"
jb ,   Canada   (05.16.12)
Gert real! If Israel had lost in 1948, there would be no Palestine, no dreams of Palestine and no Palestinians! The Mandate would have been carved up like a roast turkey by the invading countries and the local Arabs (so-called Palis) would have cheered while they butchered the Jews. Their so called Naqba is a statement of their own failure to eradicate the Jews, something they have promoted since 1920 and continue to the present moment. I'll review my thinking when the UK has a "Naqba" day on July 4th!! Your totally naive andcompletely ignorant of history believing what you see in the media to reading the actual historical documentation. Feh!
25. 17
zionist forever   (05.16.12)
In this case the university didn't organize this what it did was allow students to protest on campus. Can the allow things like social justice, communism, peace process and all the usual rubbish that university students protest about and not allow nakba protest? In this case I think its a students free speech issue rather than the university itself supporting nakba.
26. Nah, Nah, Nakba!!
SG ,   Teaneck   (05.16.12)
27. #22 & #24
Bertram ,   London, UK   (05.16.12)
Sadly predictable responses. It all seems to be a zero-sum game to you i.e. because we suffered you didn't suffer, because we have a claim to the land you don't, etc. We Jews have a monopoly on being THE victims - even we've won - so don't you Arabs dare have the temerity to compete with that. What a precarious basis for the future of the country. I actually think the heart of Israel is bigger than that. Unfortunately, there appears to be too much fat surrounding the heart for it to operate properly.
28. #27
Sam M ,   UK   (05.16.12)
The term 'ersatz' palestinians by the way is absolutely correct. Historically the only palestinians were the Jews who for centuries were described thus. The arabs co-opted the name 'palestinians' in the 1960s to give political expression to pan-arabism or more accurately the movement to destroy the State of Israel following the military defeat of the arabs. This new 'identity' was also news to the 'palestinians' since they had never previously called themselves 'palestinians' either. The purpose of this fraudulent exercise was to replace the Jews in the public consciousness as the indigenous inhabitants of the Land of Israel which they have never been not at least according to the historical record. The term 'palestinians' was always meant for people like you ignorant to your finger tips and likely to stay that way!
29. Freedom of Speech - 'Nakba Day'
Spencer ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
It's not a question of supressing Freedom of speach. The celebration of 'Nakba Day' is seditious. It provokes violence. This "celebration" should be banned by law.
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