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Pollard case and Obama
Gil Hoffman
Published: 17.06.12, 11:13
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31. We know what those traitors did.
Liam ,   Ireland   (06.17.12)
Israel has stonewalled us on what Pollard did. And more important, what did Israel do with the stolen information. Mr. Obama knows that to release Pollard would spark a huge revolt among Americans.
32. Hoffman doesn't understand Jewish Americans
Keith ,   Texas, USA   (06.17.12)
You can round up some Pollard partisans among Jewish Americans, just like you can round up some Neturei Karta in Israel. But, the great majority of us don't care if he rots in prison. Why would we -- he’s a traitor and a disgrace.
33. Obama understands liberal Jews
Syd Chaden ,   Palermo Calif USA   (06.17.12)
Obama doesn't understand American Jews, he understands American liberal Jews. And, the reason that he understands them, and doesn't understand Israeli Jews, is that they, like him, are anti-Israel. American liberal Jews want "One World", in which they imagine that there is no anti-Semitism, and they will be accepted. They oppose Israel because of its outright "Jewishness" and to show their "oneness" with their "One World". But, their "One World" doesn't like Jews, and no matter which imaginary cause they endorse, they will be regarded as Jews. And, of course, as infidels.
34. To # 18 When you expose yourself as
ben   (06.17.12)
someone who is quick to label critics of Israel as antisemetic, your argument loses all credibility
35. Your conduct is so stereotypical of US Jews;
To Keith of Texas   (06.17.12)
You've proven the point of those who have complained that you (plural) are prepared to ignore the colossal injustice done to Pollard since the vast majority of US Jews are afraid of making waves lest they seem to their gentiles compatriots "too Jewish" which would remind most Americans that the Jews amidst them aren't really Americans but Jews first and foremost. You are terrified of being charged with dual loyalty. Your statements are woefully uncompelling and quite frankly a humongous blight on Jewish morality. I hope you and your likes will have your hearts open up one day down the line. Till then you (plural) ought to be mighty ashamed of your wicked position.
36. Liam, you're talking bollocks.
(06.17.12)
Other Americans were released after serving 4 or less years after spying for US allies. And since you're Irish you should mind your own business. Time you learned there is more to life than hating on Jews...
37. The reason Pollard is in jail? Antisemitism
ZionistBecky ,   Israel   (06.17.12)
It's obvious, isn't it? If Pollard were Christian, he'd would have been released with time served. If he were Muslim, Obama would have given him a medal. The dozens of talkbacks that point to antisemitism as being the reason Pollard remains in jail are correct. It's all about hating on Jews. In fact, all the problems we have in the world are because people hate Jews. Last night, there was a rainstorm that did damage to a few of my windows. Why did it do damage to my windows and not my neighbors? Because I'm Jewish and the storm was antisemitic.
38. Jewish support for Obama is dropping like a rock.
Chaim ,   Israel   (06.17.12)
Recent polls show Jewish support for Obama is dropping like a rock. Just like Latino, Hispanid and even Black support. Apparently, Obama now has under 80% support among Blacks. This is a phenomenal development. It looks like America is realizing that it needs a president who can do more than read a teleprompter. Though Obama's last "major" address was deemed by many to be his worst speech ever. The Obama nightmare appears to be ending. Hallelujah!
39. Ben, I wasn't quick at all.
(06.17.12)
You're plainly one-sided for the US in this case and the fact you're attempting to deflect attention from this suggests you are antisemitic. Which is why your arguments never had credibility to begin with. BTW, only by error I recommended your talkback.
40. Sign language
Concerned American ,   USA   (06.17.12)
Aparantly, Israelis are not good at reading sign language at all. Let's go over it again. When you are shown the middle finger once, you are suppose to take the hint properly and not ask for it to be flashed in your face again and again. Grow up and forget the scumbag.
41. Pollard has paid twice the price....
Galut ia ,   Selah   (06.17.12)
as a member of the "Walker family of spies" ..The son of John Walker was released 7 or 8 years ago ...the gravity of damage the walker family of spies far exceeds any thing Pollard did....The walkers spying allowed the Russians to give north Viet Nam intelligence on our air ops and other ground operations...and I suspect many of the US casualties can be traced to the walker family spying.. walkers son was caught with duffle bags of classified documents under his bunk....due to a plea bargain with john walker his son is now free. there is no reason other than politics to keep pollard in prison...even those that put him there says his sentence was excessive...
42. why did anybody ever seriously expect Pollard to be released
zionist forever   (06.17.12)
Peres knew full well before he even left Israel he didn't have a chance in hell of getting Obama to release Pollard, especially five months before a US election. It was all for show make the Israeli public think he is not just going to the US to get a nice shiny medal but he is also going to try and do something useful like try get Jonathan Pollard released. Clinton promised to release him as part of the peace process and this is when we were at the height of oslo and Arafat was still a peacemaker in American eyes. Bush didn't commit himself to anything but he did hint to Sharon he might release Pollard. Obama hasn't even hinted at the idea that he would release him, its Peres who talked everybody up into believing he had a serious chance of getting Pollard released when he met with Obama to be given his medal. Jimmy Carter would release Jonathan Pollard before Obama would. Bibi didn't say how high when Obama said jump and Obama was Mr peace process from the day he entered the White House ( his first phone call after inaguration was to Abbas ), he was also a Muslim puppet on a string for most his presidency so why should we have ever expected Obama to release Pollard just because Peres said he was going to discuss it with him?
43. He Doesn't Care About Isreal's Jews.
Dan ,   USA   (06.18.12)
Obama doesn't need the vote of Israel's Jews and he knows he will get 90 percent of the vote of America's Jews who don't care about Israel's Jews either. Far left liberal values, including being anti Israel, drives American Jews. Obama knows this better than anyone.
44. To: #37
I Love Fanatics ,   Ohio, USA   (06.18.12)
The reason Pollard is serving a long sentence is because of the gravity of his crime – not anti-Semitism. Do you think Bernie Madoff’s harsh sentence was because he was Jewish?
45. 15# ...13# You act as if the United States
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (06.18.12)
isn't doing the exact same thing???? The United States has the biggest bunch of spies stealing information from other countries, including Israel, that has ever been fomented on other nations. How much baking ....does this Jew have to do in our oven ...before we release him like all the other spies we have let go??? We have released spies who did far more damage in much less time. How much damage did Obama's little drone mission to Iran cause the United States??? Obama didn't even have the brains to send in a cruise missile to destroy the drone! Pollard is a saint compared to our president....who just hands the whole plane and its technology to our enemies! He's still playing golf though.....and collecting $40,000.00 dollar campaign contributions form misled Jews.
46. 44# What about Obama...he stole 5 Trillion
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (06.18.12)
Bernie Madoff only got away with several billion. Maybe the pot is calling the kettle black. Bernie Madoff was a little ponzi scheme. The President and past presidents... have been running the biggest ponzi scheme in history. 136 Trillion dollars of on and off the book debt. Like Europe is nearly bankrupt...we will soon be in the same boat taking on water. Currency will become worthless....and Bernie Madoffs fortune as well as Obama's....will be worthless paper. The point is....the country is being run by a person of nefarious character...keeping a guy who had little effect on our country in jail for eternity. If you steal trillions of dollars from american citizens............then learn to show some compassion for a small fish in a small cage. Let pollard go. His crime is miniscule compared with the Presidents and past Presidents bankrupting of the United States currency. This collapse will cause far more damage than Pollard could have ever done to our country.
47. "Concerned" American - where was your concern
(06.18.12)
when your government was being a scumbag refusing to abide by its undertaking in the memo of understandings it had signed with Israel to share with it essential information critical to Israel's security? This is why we don't give a damn what you think and write.
48. Hi Wendy Campbell ("ZionistBecky"),
(06.18.12)
this is exactly the trick I would expect from you. As to Dan's comment,- Bernie Madoff deserves his harsh sentence and there's no antisemitism there, but in Pollard's case there is no escape from interpreting it as antisemitism.
49. I love when ynet publishes Pollard articles
TaylorT ,   Earth   (06.18.12)
Nothing else will make Americans realise what petty, ungrateful, tribal, back-stabbing people Israelis are than articles that continually bang on about Pollard. Bonus points for all the fools who add an antisemitic angle to it!
50. # 49 Absolutely correct.
Jim ,   USA   (06.18.12)
Especially about the good-old fall-back "antisemite" If I had a penny for everytime I heard that.................
51. #9 Yusuf - Wrong
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (06.18.12)
America is the foremost spy in History and at the present time. America spies on everyone, friend & foe alike Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK. A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications. It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.
52. #8 Yusuf Nope - America is the worst
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (06.18.12)
It spies on everyone, friend and foe alike Starting with Patrick Henry, Francis Gary Powers and the UN I have posted the details elsewhere in this forum, read them and absorb
53. AMERICA SPIES ON EVERYONE
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (06.18.12)
Friend or foe alike, and has been doing it since before the American Revolution U.S. SPYING When it comes to spying on her friends America has been accused of illegally spying on hundreds of people in Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Iceland. Officials in the five countries expressed their unhappiness at surveillance tactics that were conducted without the knowledge of the individual nations' governments. Nathan Hale is AN AMERICAN HERO, because he spied America claims officials informed the Norwegian government about the operation which was aimed at terror suspects Anyone recall Francis Gary Powers and the U2 spy plane over Russia ? OR How America Spies on it's own people, with the Approval of Congress OR How America spies on the UN Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK. A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications. It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.
54. 11 - Amen !!! You have nail it ,...
split ,   US   (06.18.12)
55. #54, with so many Americans like you,no wonder
(06.18.12)
the quality of presidential leadership in the US has deteriorated to such an abyss... from Bush Jr. to Obama, and the worst is yet to come. Not only the US educational system but the entire US culture needs to be rebuilt from the bottom.
56. let the traitor rot in jail
marco ,   eilat   (06.18.12)
57. American Jews voting for Obama?
Joe Kaufman ,   Silicon Valley, USA   (06.19.12)
As an american jew and an israeli, I'm not as certain as the author that Obama will get the vast majority of American Jewish votes. I believe that many will come to understand that Obama is both an amateur and a fraud, an empty suit with beautiful words and no real action to back up his claims. A legend in his own mind. It's just a question of time before the media comes clean and stops apologizing for Obama.
58. goodwill gesture? Seriously?
NINA ,   NYC   (06.19.12)
Like announcing major settlement plans every tine Biden or Hillary visited Israel? US doesn't owe Israel ANYTHING. Israel owes US 100s of Billions and its survival. Till you get that into your heads, don't come knocking.
59. #57..I Wish You Were Correct, But You Aren't
A.C.Guard@hotmail.co ,   USA   (06.19.12)
As the election becomes closer the media will protect Obama even more than they do now. And America's liberal. progressive Jews value their Jewishness less than their liberal cred. Obama will get over 90 percent of America's Jewish vote in addition to the money..
60. So many don't have a clue
Mahlon Drumgoole ,   Newark NJ USA   (06.19.12)
It is almost painful to read some of the uninformed and ignorant comments of people like John Doe (#6)and others who accuse Pollard of being a traitor because these nitwits have no idea of what a traitor is or what the definition of treason is. For their information, Pollard was not convicted of treason or being a traitor. In the US constitution, treason is defined as "levying war against the US or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies." Walker, in giving away secrets to Russia was a traitor because at the time that he acted , America was still engaged in a cold war with the USSR and the secrets hurt the US. In contrast, Pollard was convicted of giving state secrets to Israel, a friendly nation. His crime was no different than Daniel Ellsburg stealing the top-secret papers to the NY Times about the lies about the Viet Nam war. Obviously giving secret information away is a crime and he deserved to be punished. However he should not have been punished like a traitor because he was not convicted of treason or of being a traitor. Leaking the information to Israel did nothing to harm the US.
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