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Norway doesn’t hate Jews
Kristina Furnes
Published: 20.06.12, 11:32
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61. Dr. Gerstenfeld is like a broken record.
James   (06.21.12)
Over and over and over the same themes: anit-semitism, holocaust, victim. He plays the audiance. Feed his reader anger. He loves to hate the goy
62. Utter Bullshit
John ,   NZ   (06.21.12)
63. Norway doesn't hate Jews
Rob Fransman ,   Amsterdam, Holland   (06.21.12)
It is a pity that people in Israel take Mr. Gerstenfeld for a serious scholar. In my country -where he grew up and studied - nobody does. Here we know he is a charlatan.
64. Deeds not words, speak for themselves
m   (06.21.12)
Do you remember Dershowitz speech at the Oslo U? No, because he was censored.
65. Evidence? The Norwegian government's anti- Israel stance
Shalom Freedman ,   Jerusalem Israel   (06.21.12)
Dr. Gerstenfeld provides many examples in making his arguments. He cites major media outlets and major public figures. He points to the consistent anti- Israel stand of the Norwegian government. It would be nice however to think that Israel has many friends in Norway who are working to correct the present prejudiced position. And in that case the author of this present piece is appreciated.
66. it's not the Palestinians who need to worry...
Bluegrass Picker ,   Afula   (06.21.12)
....it's the Norsk. We will send them back to where they came from and return that land to its indigenous rightful owners.... the Saami.
67. # 60
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (06.21.12)
Sarah - this isn't about gas chambers, it's about today's Norweigans criticizing some things about Israel, that's all. It's really not such a big deal.
68. furness is an apologist for the establishment
martin ,   uk   (06.21.12)
Ervin Kohn has since admitted the situation is now wrose and needs to be addressed. You want to follow official Norwegian hatred towards Israel and the Jews? go online to "MIFF.no" and "Norway Israel and the Jews." The Norwgian Oslo Accords negotiators all hated Israel, some called for its destruction. A recent poll showed many Norwegians believe the Jews treat the Fakestinians as badly as the Nazis treated the Jews. A schoolboy was branded by a hot coin at a school bbq. Bullying is hushed up , especially when the victim is Jewish. Gerstenfield is not the only researcher to criticise Norway, many others do too. The unions, media, education, arts, judiciary etc all support the government. The establishment is the problem, not the solution.
69. jews as 'chosen people'
moron ,   galut   (06.21.12)
just go to a church and you will see israel are 'chosen' there too only xtians believe they are israel
70. Your not jewich
Daniel ,   Frogner   (06.21.12)
Hi Kristina. I have been living in Norway 27 years. I must say that most of the Norwegians i deal with have nothing against jews or Israel. But I'm not living in Oslo. I know some of jews that they do not dare to send their kids to the scool because of the fact that they are jewish. The media in Norway is horrible and anti jewish. You can not find anything positive in Norwegian media about Israel and jews. Sometimes you can hear when some jews are attacked that some left politician says that the contry must help the jews but all that is just a talk.
71. Norway & Ms. Furnes
David ,   Montreal, Canada   (06.21.12)
Sadly, Ms. Furnes just does not get it. Norway has gotten away with its Jew hatred for far too long. Put simply, Norway is just another Jew hating oil fueled regime. The Norwegian Left is a shameful bunch of thugs that deserves opprobrium because they are lemmings aping their mentor - Quisling ! Boycotting Norway and shaming her citizens at every opportunity is the recourse that must be followed.
72. to #64
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (06.21.12)
Dershowitz is a eminent lawyer, not an expert/authority on Israeli politics, just an interested party. The U of O wanted him to speak about the OJ Simpson trial, about which he is indeed an expert. Had he agreed to do that, he would have been most welcome and the auditorium would have been filled to overflowing.
73. Gerstenfeld = self-hating European
berlonski ,   berlin   (06.21.12)
Irony off .
74. #17
petter ,   Trondheim Norway   (06.21.12)
I have followed the Utoya case extensively and have never heard of this. There are many survivors, so I can't exclude it. But this comparison is not at all representative of their statements. I can however confirm Furnes' review of the statistics. If the survey proves that Norwegians are antisemites, then we really really hate muslims and gypsies! They score off the charts compared to jews. eg in response to who you wouldn't like to have as your neighbour.
75. #74
Daniel ,   Frogner   (06.21.12)
What do you want to say with your comment? In Norway you have 250000 muslims and many muslim criminals. You can find 1500 jews and almost no crime. Why should 12 % of the population hate us? Because of Palestinian arabs, the media or because that in koran is written that you must hate jews?
76. Thank you Karo
Daniel ,   Frogner   (06.21.12)
That is the reality in Norway, I have 3 kids and I understood many years ago that a week jew is a dead jew. Because of that I taught them to be strong. They are walking arround with the star of David, but only because of the simple truth, they know how to take care them selvs and not because of the norwegian protection.
77. #75
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (06.21.12)
According to Wikipedia, there were 163,000 Muslims in Norway in 2009. In spite of their reproduction rate, I don't believe that they have increased to 250,000 in three years.
78. Norway's government is Anti-Semitic.
Chaim ,   Israel   (06.21.12)
There are plenty of good people in Norway, and everywhere else. However, there is little doubt that the government and much of the media in Norway is Anti-Semitic. You have to go by actions; not words. Norway's government is almost unremittingly hostile to Israel; against all logic, truth and decency.
79. Norway's ambassador
Serge ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (06.21.12)
when an ambassador justifies terrorism against citizens, I do not believe this country to be humanist. when I read your ambassador's opinions, which he writes in his own name, in Israeli newspapers, I do not believe this country to be antisemitic.
80. iselin 0slo no 75
LION OF JUDAH   (06.21.12)
In 2009 there were 163,000 Muslims, and in 2012 they have increased to 250,000 in three years increased by 87000 (over 60%). In 25/35 years according to this statistic Muslims will be majority in Norway. In 25/35 years time the prime minister of Norway will be IMAM MOHAMMED ABDUL ABBAS. Imam Mohammed will bring Sharia law within 2 days after becoming prime minister of Norway. Islam will Rule Norway in 25/35 years.
81. You mean he is not alowed to chose his subject
m   (06.21.12)
Doesn't sound like free speech democratic non antisemitic Norway. Whom are you trying to kidd? If you don't have a more intelligent argument just don't write.
82. Latest news you won't find in YNET
m   (06.21.12)
Norway Boycotts Israeli Construction Firm Norway's Ministry of Finance excludes Shikun & Binui Ltd. from the Government Pension Fund's global investments.
83. #80
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (06.21.12)
Please support your figures with the source. I will refrain from saying what I think about the comments that followed other than that they are far-fetched.
84. Lacking logic
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (06.22.12)
'"If 38% of the population is anti-Semitic, why do 92% believe it is important to teach children about the Shoah? " 38% of the population are Holocaust inverters - meaning 38% of the Norwegians believe that Jews deserved their fate during WW2. That means 38% of the Norwegians believe that Jews somehow "deserved" to be killed and massacred. 38% of the Norwegians i.e. support Hitler's genocide on 6 million Jews - but that doesn't make 38% of the Norwegians anti-Semitic does it? If 92% believe it is important to teach about the Shoah doesn't mean they have positive feelings about Jews. It's striking that every single time - without exception, when Europeans deny their Jew hatred and emphasize their "efforts" in "fighting" anti-Semitism, they always focus on remembering dead Jews and glorifying Jews when being defenseless victims while demonizing 6 million alive Jews in Israel. Glorifying 6 million dead Jews in Europe but hating 6 million alive Jews in Israel is anti-Semitic and racist. It seems Jews only deserve sympathy when they are weak, defenseless, murdered, massacred, killed or enslaved or live at the mercy of others - but hated when they are free, independent and strong and capable of defending themselves and fighting back. That's what you Scandinavians call "Israeli aggression" or "attack on civilians" - despite the fact that in 99.99% of all cases, Israel acts in self defense and strikes those that intend to attack us. Sorry, Furnes has not in any way refuted Gerstenfeld's claim. Better luck next time Kristina in covering up and denying Norway's very common and broadly accepted Jew hatred and Israel hatred.
85. Exploiting peoples fear of the unknown ?
Mike ,   Oslo, Norway   (06.22.12)
iselin, read more closely before commenting. If you didn't register in the exellent and true article where the numbers came from, I can repeat it for you(sited directly from above):the Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, the Anti-Defamation League, and Gerstenfeld's interpretation of those 'surveys'. It's sad that if a country like Norway tries to be objective and help in peace negociations, people like him feels like he got a whole country against him... it says a lot about his character and tactics, his efforts don't bring about peace and understanding, but creates fear in the people that believe him, and the arguments are ridicoulus, we fought against Hitler, unlike the Swedish, and most of the christian majority in Norway feels very strong(and positively) about the cradle of their religion (They dont know most of the stories in the 'good book' was ripped out of Egyptian mythology), . I didn't want to turn this into a religious debate, but it is important to understand that the view of some people that Jews look upon themselves as better or more important, comes from the fact that they claim to be gods chosen people, from the scripture. (and they don't even have a pyramid to prove it :) Seriously, I belive that any good and fair god would not fancy one race over another, and that this part is a human invention. What if we (Norwegians) should dig up some old viking literature that says Denmark should belong to us because odin or somebody said so. Could we base an occupation on that !? Pretty ridicoulus. I know theres a lot of politics involved and you want to flood me with other reasons now, but this only perpetuates that old argument - that god said so - i dont believe it !
86. To #83
Beary White ,   Norway   (06.22.12)
As I said, you have to dig into SSB or you believe the numbersour governement presents for the origin norwegians. Here is a report: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/02/doc_200801_en/doc_200801_en.pdf., written by Daugstad, "Facts on immigrants and their descedants. She was employed by SSB in 2007, five years ago. So, pls add some 100.000 in addition. Go to figure no.8, there you have the total number of immigrants pr countr y, including family reunion and asylym seekers.: Afghan; nearly 100.000 Iraq; nearly 100.000 Somalia; nearly 95.000 Bosnia-Herz;;nearly 85.000 Iran; Nearly 90.000 Eritrea; nearly 90.000 Ethiopia: nearly 80.000 Tyrkey,; nearl y 20.000. And if you summerize theese number, you have a clear picture of the norwegian government not telling the truth, and tries to hide the truth...more than 650.000+++
87. To nr 85 - That's a very biased and racist talkback
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (06.23.12)
We Jews never said we are superior to anyone. The "Chosen" people means that God meant for the Jews to spread God's words to man kind - to spread morality and ethics. Independently of religious beliefs, JEWS HAVE DE FACTO LIVED IN ISRAEL FOR 4000 YEARS. And what "occupation" are you talking about? Occupation according to International Law means that State A has conquered State B as a result of war. No "Palestinian" state existed in 1967, 1949, 1948, 1947, or 100, 200, 500, 1000, 5000, 10.000or 100.000 years ago. You use the invented "Palestinian" people as an excuse to hate and destroy Israel. You care nothing for the "Palestinians". 1) Why is "Palestine" a Roman/Latin name? 2) Why is there no letter "p" in Arabic? 3) Nationalism is alien to Arabs who have, for 1400 years, lived as nomads and Beduins in multi-ethnic and multi-racial "Arab" empires whose majority population - locals, subjects, soldiers, mercenaries, scientists, mathematicians, physicians and merchants and kings/royals were no ethnic Arabs, merely Arab speaking Persians, Kurds, Turks, Jews, Berbers and Africans. Why is that? 4) There is no "Palestine" in the Bible or the Koran. Why? 5) The Bible and the Koran BOTH admit that Israel is the Jewish homeland. How come? 6) Jewish/Israelite history started 2000 B.C.E in Israel - 4000 years ago. Arab history of the original Arabians, started in the 7th century C.E. 1400 years ago, in the southwestern corner of the Arabian peninsula, hundreds of kilometers away from Israel, 2600 years AFTER the start of Jewish civilization. How can Arabs be the "natives" of Israel? 7) Most Arabs arrived in Israel as recently as the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. How is that ancient history and how does that make "Palestinians" the "natives"? 8) When and where exactly did a "Palestinian" state, republic, nation state, kingdom, city state, duchy, principality or empire exist in recorded history, what are the names of kings and dynasties, cities, towns, villages and currency and why is there not a single ancient civilization mentioning anywhere any "Palestinian" state, civilization, nation or people?
88. Agree with #87
Beary White ,   Norway   (06.23.12)
#85 is really like a representative of those leftist similar to the leftist governments speaking with "two tounge". "we love you, but we do not care if you go down"...like the norwegian author Jostein Garder.
89. Anti-semittism in Norway
Odd Myrland ,   Stavanger, Norway   (06.24.12)
I have lived in Norway all my 67 years, and been active in trying to explain Israel's situation in more than 30 of them. 38 % of Norwegians think that Israel treats the Palestinians as bad as the Nazis treated the Jews. And 29 % more "do not know", only 33 % felt they could reject such a statement. Whatever you may think about the conflicts Israel is involved in, every and any comparison to Holocaust is simply sick. Those schools, universities, churches, TV-programs, newspapers etc. that has put these ideas into so many Norwegian heads, are anti-semitic. Up till now, it might have been unconcious. But as far as I can see, most of them intend to just continue after they know the result of their systematic effort. Then the antisemitism turns really ugly, I fear. I hope that Jewish leaders and other well-intended people stop telling Norwegians that the stuff that has installed such sick ideas in the heads of so many Norwegians, is not antisemittic. It is. One more point: The "green" party in the present Norwegian government propose to make circumsision of boys under 18 years of age a criminal offense.
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