Conflict not about borders
Dan Calic
Published: 09.07.12, 18:11
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1. Delusional
theo ,   israel   (07.09.12)
This writer is delusional, you all cant possibly believe this, this conflict is NOT a religious war, it is territorial and israel is seen as an occupying force. Do you all withen your right minds believe that anyone would try to eliminate solely on religious beliefs? not everybody is a damn natzi
2. @1 You could ask yourself
Suzanne   (07.09.12)
Why it was apparently less of a big deal when Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt Gaza.
3. Very True
Avi   (07.09.12)
he problem with Islam is that at it's core is racism against non muslims. Until Islam is reformed and it's followers renounce racism, there will not be peace.
4. More education needed
Amichai ,   Huntsville, US   (07.09.12)
I studied Islam for 2 years, not to convert but just to understand the religion. If people read the Quran & especially the Haditha, they would understand that Islam is at war with the world. Islam is particularly obsessed with the annihilation of the Jewish people. It's a hatred that permeates the teachings of Moe. I'm just thankful that more Muslims aren't observant of all the tenants of Islam. If they were we'd all be living in a post-civilization battlezone just trying to survive.
5. Absolutely
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.09.12)
All Western Monotheistic religions that deviated from the founder of all three major religions, namely Abraham, has used Jew-hatred as the foundation of their new, updated revelation of G-d. The fraud and lies can only have gained credence if it challenged the Spiritual and Historical Truths upheld by the Jewish people. The more the fraud is revealed the greater the hate. Put your little mind around that, #1.
6. #1 your dillusionary
AFRIED ,   USA   (07.09.12)
The 50+ majority Islamic countries have eliminated 90% of the NON-Islamic population over the past century. If that is not religion hate based I do not know what is.
7. Hmmm...
Jonathan ,   MN/US   (07.09.12)
"Mideast conflict premised on Jew hate, which has been a cornerstone of Islam from its birth" where did you get this infomation
8. Tell it to the hordes of Shimon P's followers of New ME!
tom ,   tel aviv   (07.09.12)
9. #1 is Correct!!
TZ ,   Milwaukee, WI   (07.09.12)
For about 30% of Arabs, this is true. But for 70% of religious or traditional Arabs - IT IS WHAT IS IS!! - They want Jewish blood. I really, deeply wish it were otherwise.
10. This has NEVER EVER been a war about
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (07.09.12)
borders...it has always been a war about the VERY EXISTENCE of the Jewish state...the border question is just a political trick of Israels mortal enemies ! EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS !
11. Wrong!
Moshe   (07.09.12)
The Muslims, like the rest of the world including Israel, do not see Israel as a Jewish state but a G-dless non-Jewish country like other countries in the world. In their eyes THAT is what they consider blasphemy
12. to #7
dan kaplan ,   usa   (07.09.12)
from the koran. from what all the religous leaders of islam have said since 700 ad. read the article.
13. @ #1
Dan ,   Tel-Aviv   (07.09.12)
Nazis killed on religious beliefs?????? Really? I think you need to go read what the Nationalist Socialists in Germany were all about.....not much of it had to do with being Protestant or Catholic.
14. No. 1 Theo
NYC Girl   (07.09.12)
If the conflict is really about Israel being an "occupying force" why did Yasser Arafat form the PLO in 1964...when Israel didn't control the territories prior to the Six Day Wa in 1967r? Perhaps you can tell us exactly what it was the PLO intended to "liberate?"
15. #1 and #9 read Nonie Darwish books to be enlightened
carlos ,   San Diego U.S.A.   (07.09.12)
16. Religion and Genocide
Shmuel ,   Israel   (07.09.12)
"Theo" writing ostensibly from Israel (I doubt it) asks who can believe that anyone would try to eliminate solely on religious beliefs. Seriously - and who would want to liquidate a group solely on tribal/racial/national (Hutu-Tutsi/Nazi Germany-Jews-Gypsies; Turkey-Armenians) grounds. Religion is arguable the most powerful force for bringing people to do inhumane things - because God wills it. Only post-secular Europeans and Americans think that if they are not driven to frenzy by religion that nobody can be. Most of the world still is - Sunnis blow themselves up in Iraq and Pakistan to kill Shiites, Muslims to kill "infidels". So if people "in their right mind" are willing to blow themselves up (and their leaders to laud it) then why not do it for religion?
17. 1940's invasion of European Jews had nothing to to with it?
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (07.09.12)
The Bible is not a DVD of what actually took place in history. Many scholars, like Sigmund Freud, think Moses was the monotheistic Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, or one of his followers. Both Moses and Akhenaten were born at the same time, 1391 BCE. This would make Judaism and Jews, Egyptian.
18. @1 u're the delusional one Rambam said the same 800 years b4
tf ,   herzliya il   (07.09.12)
Learn the history of the Jewish experience in Islamic Arab lands.
19. None said it more succinct or eloquent than the Rambam
herzliya il   (07.09.12)
Moshe Maimonides 1172 (Before there was any Jewish territory, Theo) "G-d has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us [...] Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they. "
20. Delusional
Zaba ,   Calif.   (07.09.12)
#1 just might be delusional. Can you counter any of Calic's facts and claims with evidence to support your emotional response? Use of critical thinking does support the author and I fully agree. Should you opt to 'study up', you might too! Thanks for publishing this piece, Ynet!
21. Spot on
Steve C ,   toronto canada   (07.09.12)
This is clearly the most accurate article explaining the situation I have ever read. Anyone who cannot accept this is as DELUSIONAL as comment #1 They make this clear on a daily basis all over the world.
22. Conflict not about borders
Joe ,   Uk   (07.09.12)
Good artical. It should be send to the United nation and world media
23. Absolutely !
Ehai ,   Kfar Saba, Israel   (07.09.12)
This is absolutel the truth about the Palestinian and Arab view point. Each time their radical and militaristic members of socety prays in his/her qiblah to Mecca (Saudi Arabia) they reinforce their hatred of Israel. Saudi Arabia is under the protection of USA nd UK. That's another reason they hate us. Israel will put an end to their hatred when we put an end to the kinds of education they are giving their children. Archaeology is absolutely essential to the curriculum they must follow. Archaeology will show them where the Quran's narrative uses Hebrew Scriptures literally when in actual fact they should not be regarded as records of historical fact. The moral of the story is........ their hate is not fiction, neither is their orthodox doctrine.............. but their exegesis is absolutely wrong. Their prophetic belief is wrong. They will never defeat us. They will learn the truth. As an archaeologist myself I can assure you of this.
24. Jew hatred
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (07.09.12)
A jew is hated by gentiles because is jew. No rational explanation exists. But never mind, jews must build up a strong, traditional and religious community all over the world and support the State of Israel.
25. A rather good and plausable article!
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (07.09.12)
26. not for land
pm ,   india   (07.09.12)
i completly agree with the writer.jews are the remaining race that almost collectively oppose the evil actions of muslims.all other nations have become an appeasement creations for muslims.islam will try till the coming back of messiah to annihilate jews and other people who are against them but this evil force would be destroyed ultimately.even if they are fighting for the land,as the first talkbacker claims,that is only based on to show the world that only islamic nations are destined to be remained in middle east other religions are not welcome here.this muslim mentality is not limited there,take any place where muslims are majority and let another religious people buy property and start staying amidst them i guarantee you within few days the non muslim family would be eager to flee from there bcs of many problems he faces from the neighbours.
27. A wiev from a Goy.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (07.09.12)
Genesis 16. 11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, “Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son and shalt call his name Ishmael [that is, God shall hear], because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man. His hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.” Comment - This is the Personality of Ismael, the Forefather of the Arabian People, thus - 12 And he will be a wild man. His hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; That is the Personality of Allah Revealed to Muhammed. Arn.Sweden.
28. For the millionth time, Allah is Hashem.
Jake ,   USA   (07.09.12)
Just because one radical Muslim claims that this is a conflict about whose God is greater, doesn't mean we should accept that ignorant narrative. Allah is an Arabic word for "the God" meaning the God of Abraham, the God of Israel, the God of all creation. The conflict does NOT stem from a disagreement over whose God is stronger. I do agree with the author's opinion that the conflict is not about borders, however Islam does NOT call for the destruction of all Jews, just for them to be relegated to second class citizens in Islamic lands (Jewish law has a similar rule for alien non-Jews living in Israel - however unlike Muslims we do not seek to expand our territory). Ultimately, Arab Muslims will recognize their folly in pursuing the genocide of Israelis, and realize that they have been manipulated by foreign powers to hate the Jews. In the meantime, Israel must stay vigilant, and defend her God-given land with ferocity.
29. The real issue here
Ron from NJ ,   Newark, USA   (07.09.12)
Let's not forget that Jews were much safer in Muslim than in Christian countries for several hundred years (albeit as second-class dhimmis), and that Turkey was a safe haven for many who Jews who fled Europe in the first decades of the 20th century. In fact, Jews flourished in most Muslim countries until the establishment of the State of israel. So it is false to say that the Koran and Muslims are fundamentally anti-semitic to the core. Although the Qur'an contains numerous virulently anti-Jewish statements, these were largely ignored and did not influence policy in the past. The present conflict is fundamentally a battle over the entry of Western civilization into the middle east, insulting the Arabs' fragile ego that never really recovered from the loss of European and other lands that were once under their domination, and introducing Western concepts of education, human rights, etc, which threatened the longevity of the tyrants who rule(d) the Arab countries. Because Jews happen to be the ones who established a Western style state in their midst, the anti-Jewish statements in the Qur'an have been rediscovered and catapulted to prominence. If it had been the Christians who created thet state, the virulent Jew-hatred prevalent today very likely would not have re-surfaced.
30. Who the arabs God is!
Johnny come lately   (07.09.12)
He's a man sitting on the dark side of the Moon smoking his water-pipe and waiting for his used-up virgins to arrive.
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