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Conflict not about borders
Dan Calic
Published: 09.07.12, 18:11
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31. Write An Article For A Two Year Old
Brett ,   Florida   (07.09.12)
And out they come and respond to it. Every honest person, who believes in The God of the Bible knows, this is a war between good and evil. Not territories. If the Jews were somehow mystically from Argentina, and that was considered the holy land, the muslims would still claim the Jews have no right to live there, and their duty was to kill all Jews and non muslims. Nice article for beginner readers of the internet, but "old hat" for readers who aren't afraid to tell the truth.
32. Quoting fraudulent Shoebat
Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf ,   Rosario, Argentina   (07.09.12)
As I waded through the article, I got an increasing impression that the author was a clown. When he quoted the well-known fraud, Walid Shoebat, in the last paragraph, I had the full confirmation.
33. Nr 28 . You err !.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (07.09.12)
The Arabic Allah could at best be equvivalent with the Hebrew Eloha. However Eloha is not HASHEM. And the Hebrew Eloha in the Bible does not Promote Murder as Allah in the Koran does. Allah is the Other One. You Err Terrible !. Arn.sweden.
34. #29 - clear, concise, and 100% truth - thank you
Jake ,   USA   (07.09.12)
35. Dhimmi and Reality
zivron   (07.09.12)
Unless the Jews accept the Dhimmi they are despised but tolerated and ottoman Turkey took in Jews from spain . The HATE BETWEEN BOTH PEOPLES STARTED WITH THE ISLAMIC ALLIANCE WITH NAZISM perpetuated by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Husseini and his many supporters and Justice demands compensation a jewish state with security.The JEWS need continue the Reality.
36. Conflict is about LAND. Both sides want all of it.....
Mike ,   Milwaukee   (07.10.12)
Conflict is about LAND. Both sides want all of it.....
37. some info on Muslim antisemitism
jerri i ,   USA   (07.09.12)
Bolsom published a book documenting the long history of Moslem antisemitism. In it is the observation based on historical documents of the Moslem rulers that more Jews were killed in Fez(north Africa) then were killed later by the Crusaders. The statements that the Jews fared better under Islam than in Europe was an invention of 19th Century historians who were imagining that things were better in Moslem countries then what they experienced in Europe. Otoman Empire only treated the Spanish Jews in their capital well while persecuting the Jews elsewhere in their domain.
38. allah is not Hashem
jlb ,   toledo   (07.09.12)
The G-d of the bible makes promises and keeps his word. He is not the capricious pagan god called allah. He is not shiva or vishnu or budda or an ancient dead ancestor. He is the G-d of the living and not the dead. You err in calling him allah because you do not know the word."That men may know that you, whose name alone is YHVH art the most high over all the earth." psalm 83:18
39. Jake # 28
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (07.10.12)
What you say is not true. God does not contradict himself. The god that the Muslims follow teaches beliefs that are not compatible with the teachings of the God of Israel.
40. Ron # 29
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (07.10.12)
The virulent Jew-hatred prevalent today would exist no matter what because the Jews are Gods chosen people and this is a battle between God and Satan.
41. Thank you.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (07.09.12)
#1 is absolutely correct it is a war about land! If israel, the Jews occupied, controlled, the Tel Aviv promenade their would be a war with the arabs and the muslims. Thank you #1 for your eloquence.
42. Jew Hatred/Jew Scapegoating & Arab Corruption=
Baruch ,   Israel   (07.09.12)
Muslim/Presbyterian: I'll take Muslim hatred anyday--Presbyterians hide behind proxy
43. Religious War!!!
Taz Man ,   USA   (07.09.12)
Goes all the way back to Abraham/Sarah and Hagar; Isaac/Ishmael & Jacob/Esau. The Birthright lost to the younger brother. The Muslims' would like to frame this as a war predicated on borders, but the true student, of God's Word, knows better. To #1, you're truly the delusional one; you haven't a clue about the true biblical dynamics of this situation, that will only be remedied by the coming of Israel's true Messiah. The Muslims' will lose this war...and, badly! God bless, Israel and His Jerusalem! A Christian Zionist
44. To #28!
Z.Z. Coltrane ,   USA   (07.09.12)
You haven't a clue on what you are talking about--period!!! It makes me sick to hear someone say that the false Moon god of Islam is the same God of the Jews and Christians! It is NOT!!! Your blatant, ignorance astounds me; just a little bit of reading would clearly show that your POV is wrong! You're just one of the many lost souls that are clueless about biblical theology.
45. G-d's Timeline
Adam Neira ,   Paris, France   (07.09.12)
G-d does have a plan for Jerusalem, the Holy Land and Planet Earth. There are many timetables. Jewish - 5772; Christian/Gregorian - 2012; Muslim - 1432; Iranian nuclear enrichment Red Line - Soon ? The divine timetable will trump all others. We are at a critical juncture in world history. Beware of paying lip service to this counsel of mine... P.S. Interested readers should look up the Twelfth Article of Faith by Maimonides.
46. To #3
Jimi ,   Paleztine   (07.10.12)
All religions have the same thing in the core... Judisim,chrisianity & islam The diff is that islam accepts others to live with their religions as humans while judisim describes all non jews as tools & slaves for jews ... Which one needs to be modified
47. BECAUSE OF Islamism BIG ISRAEL (BUFFERS) a must for BALANCE
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (07.09.12)
48. @ 28
RC ,   USA   (07.10.12)
If you do not own a Quran then google Surah 4:157 Al Nisa, 5:75 Al Ma'ida, 6:101 An 'Am, 9:30 Al Tawbah ,17:111 Al Isra. Now look at The Holy Bible: 1John 4:1-4, 1John 2:22-23, Luke 2:11. Study and seek and you shall find truth.
49. Pre-Islamic Arabs not related to Ishmael.
BUTSeriously ,   Sydney   (07.10.12)
Pls prove this widespread false premise - as false as calling Muslims Palestinians. In fact, the Arab race was not around even in King Solomon's times. This people never followed the Abrahamic belief for 2,600 years while the Jews did. There is no evidential thread connecting Arabs with Ishmael. Ishmael's mother was ancient Egyptian, which was not Arab.
50. Ron @29: Stop making excuses for the inexcusable.
Steve   (07.10.12)
Mr. Calic did not make a judgment, under whose thumb the Jews were persecuted more; under Islam or Christendom. Your view that the Jews "flourished" in most Muslim countries is at variance with the testimony of many Sephardi Jews who lived under oppressive Muslim rule even as you say, as second-class dhimmis. The entry of Western civilization by means of the re-establishment of Israel as a commonwealth "insulted the Arabs' fragile ego?" Whose problem is that? Do you have a such a fragile ego? "Persian" Jews returning to their ancestral homeland in the time of Nehemiah (about the 5th century BCE) insulted some Arab egos back then and that was before the rise of Muhammad and Islam. This conflict goes back many centuries. Have you read Nehemiah's account of bruised Arab egos? What has changed?
51. Pals want to live in Muslim society over all of Israel
Sam ,   Canada   (07.10.12)
The Palestinians feel that they and other Arabs outnumber the Jews and will eventually prevail so that they don't have to settle for half a loaf (just the West Bank). So long as their armies can't defeat Israel they hope to sucker the West into forcing Israel to hand over the territory to them. Western leaders and liberal Jews hope that if Jews suck up enough to the Palestinians , Israel will be accepted. What they don't get is that Palestinians feel that time and justice is on their side so that they don't need to compromise.
52. #46 - two words
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.10.12)
You lie
53. # 28
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.10.12)
You are totally wrong. Muslims are raised on hatred for Jews from their mother's milk onwards. They do not have the capacity to ''realize their folly." As for G*d & Allah being to same. The answer is NO. I advise you to read up the about difference in beliefs & religions of the Jews & Muslims, real fast.
54. # 27 @ Arn
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.10.12)
Kudos, Arn & thank you for your post.
55. #44, propaganda has gotten the better of you
Jake ,   USA   (07.10.12)
Please open your mind and speak to an actual Arab-Muslim about this topic, like I have many times. It is true that many Arabs worshiped the moon, and referred to it as Allah, before Mohamed converted them to monotheistic Islam, however the word "Allah" within the context of Islamic theology, refers to the one true God of Abraham. It is pure ignorance to claim otherwise.
56. and "Allah" said in Koran...
mary_of_bethany ,   singapore   (07.10.12)
"....Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...."(Sura 9:5). "When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...."(Sura 47:4). "....Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29). And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (sura 9:30)
57. To: No. 7
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.10.12)
From history, dear, which does not lie. Get an education.
58. To: No. 17
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.10.12)
Why would it matter, anyway? The Germans attacked; they lost 25% of their (sovereign) land mass as a consequence. The Italians lost the entire province of Istria. The Japanese lost Iwo Jima (subsequently restored) and 90% of Okinawa (retained by the United States, and considered sovereign U.S. soil). I'm sorry -- did you have a credible issue here? I don't see it. This isn't necessarily a religious issue; it is a geopolitical issue. Geopolitically speaking (without the history behind it, which is clearly beyond your ken) -- the Arabs lost six wars, all of which they started. There are consequences -- aren't there? -- to losing wars of aggression. Just ask the Germans, the Italians and the Japanese. Hey -- war sucks, doesn't it, when you start one and end up on the losing side ..... When you start six -- and lose them all -- it sucks even more, doesn't it? But that doesn't change the outcome, does it?
59. Brilliant treatise
Brod ,   USA   (07.10.12)
Brilliant treatise by Calic. More articles like this should be written to educate the world. It is time to expose the truth about the Middle East conflict. The Light needs to be shone brighter in the darkness of hate called AntiSemitism and Islamist-Jihadism spawned by Paganism engineered by their their Luciferian god. In the End Time GOD will put an end to all these dark forces-satanic forces crusading against GOD'S people.
60. Nr 55.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (07.10.12)
The Moongod was called illah, and God al/El. It has been put togheter as Allah.(from Al-illah) What Islamic Theology claims, is a lie, and so are Your Selfdeceptions Arn.Sweden.
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