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Swiss hospitals forgo circumcision
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Published: 23.07.12, 14:04
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1. Since they belong to adults,is it ....
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.23.12)
legal to circumcise tongues that slander the brit mila?
2. some basic definitions
Tal ,   Eilat   (07.23.12)
"Last month a German court in Cologne ruled against non-medical circumcision on the grounds that it constituted irreversible DAMAGE [emphasis mine] to the baby's body." dam·age   [dam-ij] dam·aged, dam·ag·ing. noun injury or harm that reduces value or usefulness Where is the injury or harm or reduction of value or usefulness in circumcision?
3. What hospitals got to do with brit-mila anyway.
leo ,   usa   (07.23.12)
4. to # 2... yes, sir.. DAMAGE as circumcised men can not and
rahel ,   galut   (07.23.12)
5. rahel galut 4
Tal ,   Eilat   (07.23.12)
What? Circumcised men can not what?
6. Next please ,...
snag ,   USA   (07.23.12)
This barbaric custom should be forbidden by law in civilised world ,...
7. this going to become the new kashrut fight
zionist forever   (07.23.12)
For years now we have been fighting most of Europe over kashrut because they all want to ban it. Now calls for a ban on circumcision not done for medical purposes will probably start to spread. To the liberal Europeans there is no place for archaic religious rituals and circumcision without consent is a breach of a babies human rights.
8. Some swiss use the aralah as fishing bait
Susya Bar Dror ,   Israel   (07.23.12)
Mr. Marco Stuecheli is an expert in this folkloristic sport.
9. Circumcision = Less diseases
Jossi ,   Tel Aviv   (07.23.12)
From sexually transmitted diseases, to urinary tract infections, cervical cancer (and penis cancer) are all risks that are if not totally eliminated, drastically reduced by circumcision. 70% of American males are circumcised! Let the Germans and some Swiss suffer from their own stupidity. When lawyers interfere in these domains,....we are done!
10. ciercumcision
Harold ,   USA   (07.23.12)
I don't think G-d was wrong creating males uncircumcized. Some trying to say G-d was wrong.
11. #9 It's not about health and
(07.23.12)
all about old religious rites from the Bronze Age. Otherwise Jews and Muslims could get circumcised at the beginning of puberty. Babies and children don't have to bother about sexually transmitted diseases and penis cancer. Wait until the age of 14 and everything is perfect - including your health.
12. snag USA @6
Tal ,   Eilat   (07.24.12)
what's barbaric about circumcision (bar·bar·ic/bärˈbarik/ Adjective: Savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal)
13. #11 You have to disagree to disgree. As a Jew
(07.24.12)
I can tell you that no harm is done to the child when he is circomsized at 8 days. Here the pain is practically reduced to none. In most of cases after 24 hours the small wound is completaly closed. In these 24 hours verification and anthiobitics are used to avoid infections. There is no harm done. I havent herd of Jews or anybody that has had a circumsition that they are lacking in performing sexually after they have been circumsized. Why not at 13 which is what muslims do. So you come with the stupid idea that 14 years is the best time why? The healing at 14 is more painfull and longer than the healing at 8 days. So your opinion frankly is very stupid To make a custom which is being applied with no problems for more than 4000 years just disapear only because some stupid christians don't undestand tje seriousness this custom represents for Judaism. For us Jews ,it represents a Covenant with God. If you are an unbeliever then we dont have nothing in common to discuss. Beside the religious covenant the circumsition carries other advantages. Of course at 8 days there is no sexual problem. But the higiene of the pennis having the prepuse is not the same as it is curcumsized. As for cancer you never know what a bad higiene can lead to.
14. Stop Complaining!
Rob ,   New York, USA   (07.24.12)
God, it's so sickening to hear people complaining about circumcision. I and millions of other American boys are circumcised, Jewish or not. It's probably the norm here. And we are all FINE. In fact, I hear alot of comments that women here prefer men who have been circumcised. If you have a problem with your circumcision, you are probably better off talking to a psychiatrist because the truth is that you have other issues.
15. 11: Circumcision is more painful for a few days after
Rivkah   (07.24.12)
infancy. True, Moses was circumcised at the age of 80 along with his sons. Joshua insisted on circumcising all the Hebrews whobefore battles to claim the land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by HaShem. Shaul of Tarsus insisted on circumcising Timothy himself before allowing him to accompany him and to teach the gospel of the Jewish Messiah. But baby circumcisions are less painful and are a sign of the faith of the parents in the promises to Abraham that the circumcision stands for.
16. #11 You Are Wrong And
(07.24.12)
#9 Is Absolutely 100% RIGHT! You Really Should Go And Crawl Back Under Your Rock!!!
17. @ #11 with no name...
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.24.12)
Or is it just the lack of courage to put a name down... Circumcision at puberty or later IS a traumatic and dangerous business. While infants rarely have erections, a pubescent male has them frequently, both voluntarily and involuntarily. Each and every erection is capable of re-opening the circumcision wound, causing bleeding, discomfort, hindering healing and increasing the risk of infection many times over. I've only met two people in my lifetime who were circumcised after puberty and both of them wished they had done it earlier-- as infants. Follow this path and we'll see a day when appendectomies will have to wait until the child reaches adulthood, because the parent deciding is "a violation of the child's rights". Do we really want to go down that road?
18. #1 No more than it....
Intedi Nensak ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (07.24.12)
is legal to lobotomize diseased brains who think it's a human right to mutilate the genitals of defenceless infants.
19. #9 Circumcision = less of a man
Intedi Nensak ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (07.24.12)
Firstly if you're riddled with STD's, you probably shouldn've be having sex in the first place, you should go to a doctor. Secondly studies influenced by jewish pressure groups have zero credibility they're only interested in keeping the practice legal. The only proven effect of a circumcision is to make your sex life worse.
20. So many rabbis, who needs hospitals for this?
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (07.24.12)
21. To #5
Aewhistory ,   Trenton, NJ   (07.24.12)
I think she told you... Wasn't it obvious? "uncircumcised men cannot end". In other words we are great lovers because we go a really long time! Or maybe she was referring to length? Either way, I think she makes a great argument for circumcision.
22. Open your minds
Deena   (07.24.12)
We hear that in some countries in Africa women also undergo some surgical procedures in their vagina. This rule is just questioning us if is the right thing to do or no? Baby boys undergo this without being asked. Off course is better circunsise, but still is just a good opportunity to question it?
23. No. 14 Rob
NYC Girl   (07.24.12)
I couldn't agree with you more. And as far as some of these men probably needing a psychiatrist, there was no better example than the guy in New York who was so convinced that his circumcision was negatively impacting his sexual performance that he was tying bricks to the head of his penis in an attempt to stretch the skin in order to compensate for the missing foreskin. And that being the case, should we even be surprised if this neurotic twit thinks the reason he can't get a woman is because he was circumcised?
24. No. 19
NYC Girl   (07.24.12)
I would love to quote you some of the negative things I've heard even my non-Jewish girlfriends say on the subject of having sex with men who aren't circumcised....but I probably wouldn't make it past the censors.
25. For and against circumcision
Michael ,   California, USA   (07.24.12)
For: 1. Ancient religious custom; 2. Allows washing the penis less often. Against: 1. Violates child's human rights; 2. Painful; 3. Carries the risk of infection; 4. Reduces sexual satisfaction; 5. Used by Nazis to identify Jews; 6. Many think it is a barbaric rite. This proves German, Swiss and American doctors don't care about saving water.
26. To those who answered me
#11   (07.24.12)
All I said is that Jews get circumcised for religious reasons, not health. It's a religious rite and not a medical intervention like an immunization. Day eight is a religious point of time. If Thora would say to do it at the age of 14, then Jews would do it at the age of 14. Isn't that so? You would all argue how terrible it is to circumsize a baby and that 14 is the very best age to do it. Religion has nothing to do with common sense. That's my point.
27. Aewhistory trenton@21
Tal ,   Eilat   (07.24.12)
i dont know about your computer but mine says "circumcised men can not and"
28. Circumcision
Josh ,   USA   (07.24.12)
G-d Bless Switzerland and standing for the HALT of male mutilation.
29. No.24
Frank   (07.24.12)
You friends tell you those fairy tales because you're probably the only one who believes it.How can you fall for such BS? What about the size of the penis doesn't matter? We have heard it time after time and now you're saying that you oh sorry not you but your non-jewish friends can feel the difference?That is really funny
30. 27 Tal,the trick is,when you can not
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.24.12)
convince,try to confuse.
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