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UK: Judge allows Jewish girl, 10, to convert to Christianity
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Published: 05.08.12, 08:29
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1. I guess if you beg your parents enough they give in.
Meg R.   (08.05.12)
2. I threatened to runaway from home when I was 10, this girl
Lady gaga   (08.05.12)
Has balls.
3. Shame to get kids involved in such a messy divorce.
(08.05.12)
4. B"H - It Is Irrelevant What A Goy Judge Says
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim   (08.05.12)
5. Let's Remind Ourselves!
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim   (08.05.12)
B"H - Let's remind ourselves, who tollerate them, our "rabbis" who engage in "inter-religious dialogue" and our politicians who entertain relations with them, that every xtian, per definition, is a missionary and this poor girl is fallen victim to their evil, given and constant wickedness. Even if the individual xtian is a "nice" or a "very nice" person. The "nicer" they are, the more dangerous they are!
6. Thanks
Jules ,   Sydney   (08.05.12)
Christianity will teach you cross contamination principles about 4000 years later through TV and newspapers, when it is already there in the texts of the Jewish law.
7. Christian father
Joseph ,   London UK   (08.05.12)
The Christian in this case was the girl's own Jewish father, not some missionary. He took her to Evangelical events/concerts which attracted her and impressed her. According to The Telegraph the father did not try to convert her and was somewhat perturbed that she went behind his back to apply for baptism. Sadly the law itself expects the judge to allow the child's own opinion to be paramount. Ten is too young to make such a decision. I hopwe there is an appeal process.
8. Number 4. Of course it matters!
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (08.05.12)
Because of this judgment the mother can be arrested or denied access to her child if she interferes with the judgment. According to The Telegraph the family's rabbi gave a submission saying it was harmful for the girl to change religion, but the judge rejected this opinion because it lacked evidence. I was involved in a divorce case in London where the Jewish mother was awarded custody of their 10 year old son because the Jewish father had become a Buddhist.
9. Immature daughter, nuts father, reckless judge, so sad.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (08.05.12)
10. #5-- do you have some kind of death wish for Israel...?
Jeff ,   Chicago, USA   (08.05.12)
No one blames you for having trouble with the Muslims but if you start unnecessarily pissing off the Christians also Israel's gonna have a big problem... Some of these "wicked christians" you speak of are actually a hell of a lot friendlier to Israel lately than most liberal Jews have been.
11. Request should've been denied on account of "downgrading"!
tom ,   tel aviv   (08.05.12)
12. outrageous!
nadav ,   tlv   (08.05.12)
that's what Jews can expect under Christian rule!
13. DON'T WORRY PEOPLE, SHE'LL GET BACK ONCE SHE REALIZES...
Nowhere Man ,   Metropolis, Zion.   (08.05.12)
...how useless and fake a copy of judaism christianity is. But frankly, I don't care.
14. By Jewish orthodox law a girl...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.05.12)
is considered adult only at 12 years. Before this time her decision has no value.Her mother should not make her any reproach nor moral,but make her FEEL how good it is to be Jew. This girl has a Jewish Neshama,and can only be in peace with herself by nurturing her soul with Jewish faith..
15. Ariel , A STATE court is above fairy tales "laws"
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.05.12)
This girl goes from one , to another fairy tale . From "deep" to "deeper" . Sad
16. 5 Your right! Strict thought control for everyone!
Charles   (08.05.12)
Remember: nice = dangerous; very nice = VERY DANGEROUS !!! lol
17. Why convert?
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (08.05.12)
Why must a Jewish girl convert to Christianity, when Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah, for both Jews and Gentiles? Does this mean you stop being Jewish and become Christian, absolutely not!
18. The whole article is rubbish - She was born jewish.
Eliyahu ,   Manchester   (08.05.12)
She will remain jewish for her whole life because she has a jewish soul. All the rest is "zevel"
19. #15 - actually I think this might have something to do with
Henry from New York ,   Currently in Israel   (08.05.12)
the Church of England being the state religion. Remember that some countries have established religions.
20. and who gives a damn
alex ,   london uk   (08.05.12)
about orthodox jewish law in this time and day?
21. #17:So she'll be able to point finger and say:THEY crucified
tom ,   tel aviv   (08.05.12)
our Lord. Elementary, Watson :-)))
22. Well, well.......
Mike ,   Tel Aviv   (08.05.12)
So you don't need to give up your Jewish passport to get a Christian passport eh?!!...........
23. #5's medeval concept of interfaith relations
Isaac Galili ,   Israel   (08.05.12)
I guess if you are a denizen of Kfar Tapuah, one of the more rabidly extreme settlements, then Ariel Ben Yochanan's ghetto mentality makes much sense. This isn't the 16th century, when Jews were locked into ghettos by Christian authorities. We live in a globalized, open world where individuals make their own choices of how they wish to live their lives. The Jewish father who converted to Christianity made that choice. That his daughter in this messy divorce wanted to follow her father is indeed a double loss to the Jewish people, but Ben Yochanan would have us re-erect the ghetto walls rather than engage in the contemporary world as it is. I would rather recreate a modern (or post-modern?) Jewish theology that is more open to the many non-Jews who wish to convert to Judaism and live in Israel but instead face medeval rabbinic roadblocks from the likes of Ben Yochanan, than move back to ghettos, including self-erected ones.
24. Convert
Mike ,   Uk   (08.05.12)
No wonder she converted and good luck to her. The problem, the orthodox jews in this country are so out of touch with reality, so inflexible and corrosive that they are turning jews away. The live in their sealed gheottos and avoids contact with the 'goy' such a horrible derogatory and racist word. More to follow at this rate, Jews will simply be the steorotype gheotto jew of the 11th Century.
25. #24
Sane ,   Manchester England   (08.05.12)
Mike, your Orthodox-hatred blinds you. This was a non-Orthodox family.
26. When you have sections of Judaism
Sarah B (yes its me)   (08.05.12)
wanting females to walk in the gutter as they pass by, sit at the back of the bus, and not even sing. Whilst wearing outfits that wouldn't look out of place in Taliban controlled Afghanistan The Judge has done her a massive favour
27. ** 4 Ariel Ben Yochanan
Moishe ,   T/A Israel   (08.05.12)
The Judge is English, the Law is English and both Parents are obliged to accept English law. The Judge may not be your cup of tea but apparently has more brains in his little finger than you can muster in your whole head. Try to be logical,when in Rome do as the Romans etc
28. Could the girl aplly for Israeli citizenship?
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (08.05.12)
Will she be Jew or not? Does she have the "Right of Return" or not?
29. why do jews hate christians?
T ,   sydney australia   (08.05.12)
why do jews hate christians so much? jesus was a jew, christianity comes from israel, what do they teach you that makes you think christians are evil? the two greatest commandments are love your god with all your heart all your soul all your mind and the second is love everyone as yourself, why is this evil??? what are they teaching you?
30. ** 20 Alex
Moshe ,   T/A Israel   (08.05.12)
You are living in the UK so the reality is that you are subject to English Christian law and this you have accepted by choice or necessity. For those living in Israel they are more likely (not always) to listen to the opinion of an Israeli Judge and and also possibly a Rabbi. Jewish law in Israel is relevant to a Jewish state
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