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Contempt for women with a patchouli scent
Esther Herzog
Published: 12.08.12, 11:14
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61. 56 Charles,Science needs to be...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.14.12)
far more advanced,and then it will be able to prove G-Ds existence.This can happen one day, hopefully before 2052.In the meantime enjoy life.Kler nischt aran.
62. Ora , if one knows thatr god exists , you wrote
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.12)
He don't KNOW , he only stupidly believes it . As you wrote : kler nischt aran . Yes , i'm contrary to you kler JO aran . I'm not an automat , but a SANE person . Soldiers react rapidly because of their training , not because of their soul .
63. Henry , your comparison hold not stand
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.12)
As many others do , you also compare two very different things . Obama was ELECTED , a politician always promises much , that he can't fullfill . If not good , he will be replaced . Believing people haven't voted for their god . They say that this god loves and protects his people . We have seen this "love" and "protection" . Children expect , with reason , that their parents will protect them , will take care of them , will love them . If they don't do it , they don't meet their obligations , and can't be parents anymore . You see this often at the courts where parents loose the custody of their children . They don't exist anymore as parents . I can't believe in something that i can't see , that did'nt fullfill his OBLIGATIONS , yes OBLIGATIONS , towards "his" people . And when , at a commemoration for victims of the Shoa , they say "el male rachamim ...." i'm disgusted .
64. 60 Henry,there is NOT ONE THING..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.14.12)
that is not true in the Tora. Every word is 100% TRUE.
65. 60 Henry,your idea of Judaism ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.14.12)
is completely wrong.Because of that you had no problem to convert to chrstianism in order to belong to some elite group..
66. Dear Charles, Ora and Henry....
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (08.14.12)
If She's not up there, it's Her problem... I gotta enough of my own down here... N'est ce pas, Charles?
67. @34 roger can you Swiss please give us back our money
rebecca ,   Modiin   (08.14.12)
artwork etc, sitting in your banks since the shoa, to protect ourselves from the mental and physically suffering suicide bombing, rocket firing palestinians. I'll take our "sexist" fetish army over your "money first" infatuation and lack of morals, any day.
68. 10 mg. Thorazine...STAT
Steve ,   L.A.   (08.14.12)
I did not realize that Ynet had recently featured a "crazy opinion" section in it's pages.
69. @ 67 I'm not Swiss
roger ,   zurich switzerland   (08.14.12)
70. Ora , something different , an info !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.12)
Do you remember Yossi Eisenberg's "a bible ouverte" A2 French TV ? You can watch it on your PC now , the whole week .
71. Ora , 61 . Religion needs to be MUCH
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.12)
more advanced , and not dark age retarded superstition , to prove that god exists . This will not happen in the coming thousand centuries . I wish you also ALL the best , the "best" as i see it .
72. Ora , 65 . some elite group ????
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.12)
Heirich Heine , when he converted , showed his "conversion certificate" and shouted : this is my passport to enter the cultural world . But in henry's case .....?
73. 65 and 72. Who said I'm Christian?
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.14.12)
I was raised in a lapsed Christian style in an interfaith family. I returned to Judaism about two or three years ago, after a lapse by my Jewish grandmother and mother following the Shoah. Christianity is all about death and feeling bad about everything and the end times, of course. That was my experience anyway. Judaism seems to have a lot more to do with celebrating life, at least from what I've seen so far. The family's shifted to having a lot more emphasis on Judaism now as my goy father likes it. How can Christianity be an elite group when it makes up the majority of people in my country and is also the largest organised religion set in the world. I am a religious Jew, madame.
74. 73 Henry,good to hear that you...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.14.12)
are a religious Jew.
75. #55, #59, #60, #63 henry
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.15.12)
I like reading your posts. You defend your opinions very well. I'm not weighing in on this one. But you write clearly and from the heart. As far as your return to Judaism, welcome back; Baruch HaChozayr.
76. Henry , i knew that something was "not Kosher"
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
with you . Now i know what it is . You can be , eventually , Jewish by halacha , but for me you haven't this Jewish background 100 % Jews have . You can't have this Jewish history engraved in your blood . A little bit racist ? maybe . Not a problem for me .
77. 76 Charles,the first Jews who ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.15.12)
received the Tora on Har Zion had no Jewish background. They became Jewish because they accepted the Tora laws.There is no other conditions necessary to become and be considered as a 100% Jew. Henry knows both sides and he chose Judaism. We must applaud him and receive him with open arms in our society. All Jews have not the same history. The Sfarad and Ashkenazi have different histories. Thanks a lot for your info.It happens that i have this week a French guest. But i can t get this video.Can you help me please? I answered you at your 3 posts,but it was not accepted. Have a fine day,Charles.
78. Ora , Were the Jews who received the Tora
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
not descendants of Yaacov ? They were already one people , a Jewish one . As i said , by halacha Henry can eventually be Jewish , but for me he isn't . I ALWAYS had a feeling , when reading his talk backs , that there was somerthing "strange" in his reactions , the same feelings i had with an Orthodox convert in our birth town [ he became a gabbai in a synagogue , you certainly heard about him , Roger van M.....} Yes , Jews have different history , but we share the same persecutions because we belong to this great Jewish people . I mostly "copy" my tb's , then send them to my second Email address . When not published , i copy my mailing , and "paste" it to a new TB . Will look at this website , and try to give it .
79. Ora
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
It's francetvpluzz , then search A2 , sunday 12 . Good luck
80. 78 79 Charles TRY2
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.15.12)
You are right,Charles.Thanks for the useful tips.
81. #59, "WHERE WAS IT DURING THE SHOA?"
Michael ,   California, USA   (08.15.12)
CHARLES (#56) ASKED YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION AND YOU TWISTED AND TURNED TO AVOID AN ANSWER. Come on, say it, "I have no idea." Or say "It was busy to make Ora happy." Like one of our better presidents, "IT" cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. Take it from me, along with millions: "IT" wasn't born yet.
82. Ora ,
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
You see , a secular atheist knows also something about the Jewish People's History . Where did you take it that Henry was a convert to christianity ?
83. Michael , no one of the "believers" can
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
give a satisfactory answer . One even said that it was "to painfull" to discuss it here , but wanted to do it via Email . When i asked him if by Email it would be "less painfull" , he disappeared , didn't react . The "history" part of the tora contains much TRUE facts . Nobody can deny the exodus from Egypt . The explanation of "how" or "why" those facts happened are different .
84. Michael , no one of the "believers" can
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.15.12)
give a satisfactory answer . One even said that it was "to painfull" to discuss it here , but wanted to do it via Email . When i asked him if by Email it would be "less painfull" , he disappeared , didn't react . The "history" part of the tora contains much TRUE facts . Nobody can deny the exodus from Egypt . The explanation of "how" or "why" those facts happened are different
85. #84, Not Shoa,not Inquisition,Chmielnicki,not even Mitzrayim
Michael ,   California, USA   (08.15.12)
86. #75 - Thank you Solomon. I enjoy reading your posts.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.15.12)
They often fall into that sparsely populated category of "Insightful and Intelligent YNet Talkbacks" I think my writing has gotten rather crummy lately though. :p
87. #76 - My mother's Jewish as were her parents and theirs, etc
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.15.12)
I am Jewish by Halakha according to the Mishne. It's my dad who's the Christian not my mother. Heck, I could go to Israel and request citizenship right now under the Law of Return - I was baptised when I was five days old so I had no choice in that matter - if I were so inclined.
88. #78 - I am not a convert, good sir.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.15.12)
In case my other post doesn't get published, I will respond to this one and expand on it. I said that my mother and her mother were Jewish and I am halakhtically Jewish as a result. I did not convert to Judaism, but rather readopted the customs that had fallen by the wayside in the last two generations as a result of the Shoah - my grandma and mother both blamed the murder of seven of our family members on their Judaism. While they abandoned their customs though, they did not abandon their pasts. I am an Ashkenazi Jew regardless of whether I like it or not (I'd kind of prefer to be Sphardi). If something I said earlier made it seem like I'm a convert to Judaism, then I apologise.
89. #83 - Eh? I denied the Exodus earlier.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.15.12)
Evidence points to the Israelites coming from the Canaanites and eventually gaining dominance over Eretz Israel. There's no evidence our ancestors were ever slaves in Egypt. Did you mean something else? I'm afraid I ate something that didn't agree with me earlier and so I may have misread.
90. #66 - Dogma was a fine film.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (08.15.12)
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