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Soldier reaches plea bargain for Gaza deaths
Yoav Zitun
Published: 12.08.12, 14:41
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1. Arabs without uniforms fired from amongst civillians. They
PETER SM ,   MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA   (08.12.12)
deliberately blurred the difference between combattants and non combattants and got the predictable result.. Is the woman or child coming at you a peaceful civillian or a suicide bomber? You have seconds to decide on the lives of your comrades,a wrong decision means death.
2. i am not a leftist.. but that is murder..
JL   (08.12.12)
3. Murder, indeed
(08.12.12)
45 days for double homicide. Justice at its best.
4. Is it fair to ask?
Jared ,   Stillwater, USA   (08.12.12)
How long would a Palestinian serve for killing an IDF?
5. @2&3 Were you there? Just prove intent!
PETER SM ,   MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA   (08.12.12)
Talk is cheap
6. They ignored a command to halt
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.12.12)
End of story. War is not a summer picnic outing, and there is no way to know if one or more of those women were terrorists dressed up as women and hiding among them. It's happened before. If anyone wishes to place blame, the appropriate recipient of that blame would be Hamas, who does nothing to stop missile and mortar fire into Israel, thus necessitating Cast Lead. Not to mention the despicable terrorists, who cache weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques -- thus turning them into legitimate military targets -- and who routinely hide behind civilians, preferably behind the skirts of women and children. This soldier did what he had to do in time of war. War is not a game. The ersatz "Palestinians" would do well to keep that in mind.
7. @4 He would be a PA/Arab hero&Abbas would shake his hand
PETER SM ,   MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA   (08.12.12)
just like the Lebanese baby killer who Abbas sought out.
8. Goldstone, and #4
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (08.12.12)
Goldstone knowingly lied to cover-up Hamas war crimes and incitement to genocide by falsely accusing the IDF of war crimes with the help of Israeli citizens who accepted payment to collaborate with Goldstone. Israel should arrest, try and jail Goldstone for his part in inciting genocide against the Jews. #4: In identical cases, US marines receive medals. Murder is like the case of Robert Bales.
9. I cannot believe Jews are writing the talkback
Baruch ,   Paris, France   (08.12.12)
"He had seconds to decide?" When these women were 250-300 metres away? The whole difference between the IDF and other armies is that Israeli soldiers are supposed to use their brains and consciences before opening fire. This soldier - and the officer near him who completely failed in his duties - are a terrible stain on the good reputation and past record of Tsahal.
10. Goldstone has been vindicated
imafreeagent ,   Florida   (08.12.12)
Case closed.
11. Hey "freeagent"!
cs   (08.12.12)
And obviously you are a legend, too! (Well, in your own mind, anyway...)
12. IDF life first, even in case of doubt
ma nishma ,   modiin   (08.12.12)
Even if there is a doubt if his life is in danger, I believe the IDF have the right and responsibility to shot first and ask questions later. There is a similar ruling for breaking the Shabbat if there is a doubt that perhaps there is a chance that a person will die, on a small doubt, the shabbat is violated. It certainly should be true in the case of a soldier in enemy territory, where there is a possibility of some sinister attack. Our boys deserve every doubt, they put their lives on the line for us; we have seen what the Arabs, especially the Hamas, think of killing themselves in order to kill one of us.
13. This is war, not a walk in the park.
Jim ,   Tel-Aviv   (08.12.12)
I'm amazed that again Israel is held to a standard which is not required from any one else on this planet. War is always a tragedy, death is always a tragedy, don't you know that? Look at the WWII history - how many innocents died in Germany, Russia, Poland? Combat zone should be sterile completely, no civilians there.. but tell that to Pal-s.. they love death on camera for PR purposes.
14. #6..i live in israel 40 years..ive been in 4 wars
JL   (08.12.12)
how many have u been in?
15. My sympathies and support are with the
DT ,   TA Israel   (08.12.12)
Givati Brigade soldier
16. We send these heroes to war and then indict them for
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (08.12.12)
fighting for us . You can indict me instead of this hero.I am ashamed .
17. #8 israeli
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.12.12)
“Israeli citizens who accepted payment to collaborate with Goldstone. “ Please cite your sources.
18. #9 baruch
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.12.12)
I have to agree with you. From what the article says, it seems the charge should have remained manslaughter.
19. consolation
Michael ,   Haifa   (08.12.12)
At least we can console ourselves with our constant recital of "being the most moral army in the world". This is merely another example of our "morality"
20. #18. solomon: you need a heavy dose...
Tom W ,   USA   (08.12.12)
of real war to wake you up from your PC induced slumber. The US - via NATO - kills dozens of civilians almost on daily basis and nobody is moralizing in the US/EU or bashing the military. All they say is "We're sorry, we didn't mean it". Go and watch WWII. era documentary footages to sober up.
21. #10 i’m
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.12.12)
Goldstone has vindicated himself by disavowing the report. The report itself has not been vindicated. Case closed.
22. #19. Michael: message to you from the past
Tom W ,   USA   (08.12.12)
If you lived trough my early childhood in a E. European ghetto under SS-Totenkopfverbände occupation, surrounded by corpses your mind would be much healthier and less delusional. _______________________________ Explanation: "SS-Totenkopfverbände" = meaning "Death's-Head Units", was the SS organization responsible for administering the Nazi concentration camps for the Third Reich.
23. #4 Jared
Moshe of Rockville ,   Rockville,MD USA   (08.12.12)
If the Palestinian were tried in the PA,he/she would receive a commendation, a new house, a street named after him/her and a kiss on both cheeks by Abbas.If tried by an Israeli military court,he/she would get a life sentence and be among the list of those who would be exchanged for any Israeli civilians or military types kidnapped by the Palestinian terrorists.Meanwhile he would be entitled to good food,an education and comradeship among the prison population.
24. Warsaw ghetto, Gaza ghetto, examples of ethnic cleansing
Steven Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (08.12.12)
25. Forgot all about this case
Markus ,   U.K.   (08.12.12)
I had forgot all about this case but I know somebody who won't.
26. Arabs are "famous"
Tony   (08.12.12)
Arabs have no qualms shooting their own, destroying property and staging other drama all in order to blame other Arabs or in this case the IDF. It's possible they didn't mean to kill the women, but the bullets probably hit arteries or vital organs that resulted in death.
27. Defense established reasonable doubt
laura j ,   USA   (08.12.12)
S’s defense team argued and the prosecutors ultimately agreed that investigators were unable to actually establish where the women had been killed or which of the soldiers had fired the shots, if any, that hit them. Two women civilians died. A tragedy. Ruining a man's life without proof he was responsible would only compound that tragedy, even if it would make some people feel better.
28. 22 Tom W..an even stupider message from the past
Michael ,   Haifa   (08.12.12)
Since you like to make stupid comparisons, how about the kiling of the Amalekites by our ancestors..men, women and children ? That should suit your intellectual abilities.
29. #17
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (08.12.12)
Goldstone's Israeli collaborator were from the "Shovrim Shtika" group. "Shovrim Shtika" was funded by Ne w Israel Fu nd.
30. Lets see: 300 meters away, unarmed women & children
Most Moral Army   (08.12.12)
carrying a white-flag. Typical IDF response to the murder of unarmed civilians. Of course IDF doesn't see it a human crime, after all they are non-jews.
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