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What has become of our nation?
Yael Gvirtz
Published: 20.08.12, 10:30
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1. Dear Yael
Ray   (08.20.12)
One day we will be perfect. In the meantime it is enough yo know that you support others and despise us
2. Ravings of a loony left
Jim ,   Tel-Aviv   (08.20.12)
When the same was taking place under Avoda governments - religious coercion, crime, terrorism, counter-terrorism - these Lefties said that the country was flourishing when in fact it was choking to death. Now it's all Bibi's fault. He stole their dream, destroyed their sand castles, they can't fogive him ever.
3. inane rant
Buki ,   tlv   (08.20.12)
I am speechless at lack of clarity and lack of rationality in this article. It makes ZERO sense!! What does the PM have to do with the lack of culture and adherence to a violent, arab-like culture of certain "levantine" groups here in Israel, the result we see murder, rape, and street violence!? As for the illegal immigrants, even Australia, one of the most liberal countries in the world sends so called refugees to interim camps on remote islands in the Pacific or Indian Oceans! The author of this article, as are the neo-marxist Left, is ideologically- and quite frankly, morally bankrupt, the result of which is their attempt to ride the wave of radical Chaves-style populism that is unfortunately trying to tear the country apart. Don't fall for such BS.
4. Without going too deep into this article's many points...
Vlad   (08.20.12)
Let me just remind you that twice, Jews and an Australian student were nearly lynched in Issawiya, in Jerusalem. And no leftist seems to care that the African migrants are the equivalent of America's Mexicans: An often violent and criminal group of aliens who come to a different country and act like it's their own house.
5. lies, lies and more distortions.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (08.20.12)
this writer is diseased
6. sad self hatred
avi   (08.20.12)
I am not a Netanyahu fan but the blatant self hatred expressed here is simply sad......
7. Rather: country is reaping what antireligious liberals sowed
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.20.12)
Same antireligious liberals, concealed in the past. Only difference now is that their legacy, along with the fringe loonies at the opposite extreme, are both exposed. The solution, the only peaceful possibility, is for all moderate datim to learn to be tolerant of minor differences and unify as a voting bloc for a velvet revolution against both fringe loonies that coalesce with each other to rule us now.
8. What has become? It's the fault of guys like you Yael
Moshe   (08.20.12)
Exactly what our Rabbis have predicted when the secular state was established: Lawlessness and immorality. If there's no Torah and no G-d, you can't expect honor, value and morals.
9. Oh sure, it's all Bibi's fault, Right
Myra ,   USA   (08.20.12)
10. That is because
Ivor Evenbiggergun   (08.20.12)
the current occupation of Palestinian State and the lack of international support for it, is making the State of Israel unsustainable economically. You cannot have a military continually demanding shiny new things and maintain the social cohesion of the population. The same thing happened in the former Soviet Union. The military became to powerful, and feeding them led to the detriment of the people the military were supposed to protect. Until Israel addresses this balance, the experiment that is Israel is doome to failure. That is without looking at vast swathes of the population paid to do nothing for the country they live in other than read a book, that normal decent people do over the weekend whilst holding down a job, paying their taxes, and being productive within their societies.
11. #3 take it you are an Haredi then?
Sarah B ,   London/Israel   (08.20.12)
Living the good life on my taxes
12. Excellent article Yael
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (08.20.12)
I agree with you 100%. What a shame indeed.......
13. Kumbaya lady
2Mad ,   צרפת   (08.20.12)
Basically, you want everything like in "good ole days". If anyone says that "good" was never there, surely not for everybody, you'll stick fingers into ears and sing "la la la". Boker tov, you are living in the dream world, smell the coffee.
14. Netanyahu is the greatest leader of all times.
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (08.20.12)
Violent country is Syria, Racist is Saudi Arabia, poor are Jordan, Egypt and Yemen, not Israel.
15. one sided article
anton ,   istanbul   (08.20.12)
you never see balanced article here its either israelis fault or palestianians while the author says the truth it doesnt say the pysch of jews affected by arab violence threfore it leads to price tags, action and reaction
16. Spot ON
EM ,   Ra'anana   (08.20.12)
Quite pathetic that most of the "RIGHT" talkbackers, have no valid comments except knee-jerk accusations of hate and justifying the situation today since the "LEFT" did it too. The article is spot on regarding the current moral standards in the country today. The government should take action to resolve some of the problems...instead they have more ministers than every before to fiddle away while "Rome" burns.
17. The post at No. 11 is not mine.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.20.12)
I mean, really! London?
18. government must be responsible for our thoughts & choices
zionist forever   (08.20.12)
Why is it Bib's fault that we have a hit & run? In 64 years is this the first time anything like that has happened? Why is it Bibi's fault some people decided to throw firebombs at migrants? Why is that Bibi's fault if a bunch of arabs are lynched by Jews? All it proves Jews are any no more perfect beings than anybody else and like all humans are capable of cruelty. We are responsible for our own choices, not family, friends or government. Yes the interior minister took pride in locking up the migrants. The migrants are a problem and the people ( including the farl left Bibi haters ) want them locked up. Children are in detention centres because their parents are. Where is the evidence from they are starving and denied medical care? Where is the evidence that people are being killed when returned to South Sudan? Would love to know some figures here and considering South Sudan only celebrated its first year of independence in July this year how many have we even deported there? If society is so bad now Netanyahu came to power what was society like before Netanyahu? Was it a society free of crime and where we loved everybody?
19. And what about the deported migrants who were killed upon
Proud Zionist ,   Hadera, Israel   (08.20.12)
their return to South Sudan or died of diseases they contracted there? This is utterly absurd. Where is the proof of such an accusation? "Before the current regime turned our livelihood, our dreams, our values and our future into Pompeii? You mean your perverted leftist values. "What is there left to say about the lynching of Arab teens by dozens of Jewish teenagers in Jerusalem" This statement is shameful. We all know what a true lynching of Jews by Arabs looks like. The Ramallah lynching and Aziz Salha ring any bells Yael? Please move to Ramallah or Gaza if you are so unhappy. I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms there by the innocent, peace loving Arabs.
20. mindless opinion
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (08.20.12)
I think the author is totally off the wall. I first came to Israel in '68, I remember the economy, the roads, the infrastucture and the youth. Everything changed, the economy is booming, the roads, the cars the availability of luxury items and the ability of Israelis to afford them. Everyone have phones, tv's, washers and dryers. On the down side, the Israeli youth are no longer idealistic, but they have been corrupted by a steady diet of liberal pap and American TV and movies. Bibi and his rule have given this country more than any PM since BG.
21. Yael Gvirtz's What has become of Israel
henry ,   Cavite, Philippines   (08.20.12)
Either you are naive Yael or blind or totally detached from reality and utterly ignorant of human psychology. You are probably proposing your fellow Israelis act like little lambs in the face of threats to annihilate your people like what Hitler did. Perhaps you will change your stance when a rocket hits your home or a terrorists slash the neck of your son or daughter or wife.
22. unions OUT, mercy IN
Mike E. ,   San Diego, USA   (08.20.12)
Israel would be in a better position to help the poor of the world, if it didn't have so many problems of its own. Public-sector unions are destroying Israeli society. Strikes in public services and utilities are unethical. If public workers want to change the government, they should VOTE to do so, not STRIKE. As long as these unions stay in power, Israel will have the resources eaten away that could otherwise be spent on acts of kindness, like receiving refugees.
23. to Proud Zionist
EM ,   Ra'anana   (08.20.12)
Are you 'proud' that a group of Jews outnumbered an Arab youth and beat him senseless while others watched. Is this your moral bar for the Zionist dream...? If the Arabs did it..then we can too.
24. Gold medal for hysterical idiocy
Jhan   (08.20.12)
Many ynet scrawlers have barfed a lot of nonsense, but this one is my nomination for this year's HYSTERICAL IDIOT award.
25. lol, so many opinions in such a small country :)
Simon ,   Givatayim   (08.20.12)
wrong, right, good, bad, okay, not okay, nakhon, lo nakhon :)
26. כמה פסימיות במאמר קטן אחד ינעל רבאק :)
(08.20.12)
27. What has become of our country's patriotic writers
Alan ,   SA   (08.20.12)
who bunch together hit and runers with critics 60 000 infiltrating people from another continent who have no business being there
28. then get out..sickening article
JL   (08.20.12)
29. Nutcase
Alan Gross ,   Cape Town, Sough Afr   (08.20.12)
Crazy
30. Obama tentacles
Brod ,   USA   (08.20.12)
Obama Anti-Israel tentacles are at work trying to undermine Israel's government. Israel's media should not facilitate this kind of tirade against Israel's government. It will only help Israel's enemies. There is a sinister force out there that is trying to weaken America, Israel and the Free World and embolden the enemy-Islamist-Jihadist world hellbent on the destruction of Israel and Western civilization. At a time when Israel is facing existential threat from Ayatollahist nuke, the tentacles of the dark forces should not be allowed to undermine Israel. Israel has to be united, strong and resolute in defending the Land of Israel from the dark forces hellbent on its destruction.
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