Opinion  Ronen Bergman
Will we really know?
Ronen Bergman
Published: 21.08.12, 00:22
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1. It actually does NOT matter if Iran gets a nuclear weapon
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (08.21.12)
While Israel hyper ventilates about Iran, the reality of the last 60+ years is it does not matter if a country has nukes or not because no one will actually use them, because ANY country that uses nukes will be committing suicide. Any nuke going off anywhere on earth effects ALL HUMANS on earth so the offending nation will get immediate very negative retaliation. American has lived perfectly OK with nukes form Russia and China pointed at it and the same goes for Russia and China. India and Pakistan have lived just fine with nukes pointing at each other. The hard reality is right now there are probably nukes pointed at Israel from Pakistan, India, Russia and China and Israel does just fine. As for the so-called "terrorist threat" Per NTI.org the hard reality is there are enough "loose nukes" floating around that terrorists just may get one anyway. It is time for everyone to just ignore Iran's nuclear program and get on with life.
2. welldone ,great article
Yousef ,   Hebron , Palestine   (08.21.12)
an amazing article that refers to the wisdom of the writer
3. We know Iran has no WMDs now, no Chem, Bio, Nuke. Why?
Steven Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (08.21.12)
Because it against their Ideology... "Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of weapons of mass destruction including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Iran has first-hand knowledge of WMD effects--over 100,000 Iranian troops and civilians were victims of chemical weapons during the 1980s Iran–Iraq War. On ideological grounds, a public and categorical religious decree (fatwa) against the development, production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons has been issued by the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic Ali Khamenei along with other clerics"
4. Intelligence information
Belinda ,   Texas, USA   (08.21.12)
Is the author expressing thoughts that EVERYONE thinks about? However, regarding Saddam's WMD, EVERYONE, knows they were moved to Syria! Why do you think Obama is having a fit right now & making veiled threats to Assad? So let's not let the process of thinking about the Iran situation allow our imaginations run wild!!
5. What sane excuse is there to delay destroying Iran's nukes?
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.21.12)
Many intelligence experts claim Israel should have destroyed Iran's nukes back in 2005. What are we waiting for? What possible excuse is there to delay destroying Iran's nukes today? This is not something we can take chances on. The Mad Mullahs threaten us with genocide every day and they mean exactly what they say.
6. It Is For This Very Reason, the ILLEGAL regime in tehran
Should Be Delt A Swift Brutal wake up? Or is it Permenant Dirt Nap! The Latter Of Coarse.
7. This is the wrong discussion!
Yael Schlichting ,   currently Munich   (08.21.12)
It is not about Iran's decision to build nukes! It's about Iran vulnerability to a strike. It is not very smart to wait for the decision, since Iran is not only building more and more bunkered facilities, but also has entered the stage, where it can produce shahab 3 missiles in significant numbers. If we wait another month, even more of these things will be produced and if it comes worse, Iran also will make more progress in solid fuel missiles. The decision about a strike on Iran is way more complex than only about it's decision and progress in its nuclear program. We shouldn't forget this!
8. And so???
Ber ,   Montreal   (08.21.12)
What a useless article. So what do you suggest be done? Should Israel attack now? And if they do and miss the top secret bunker making nukes what then? Obviously there is no foolproof way of knowing for sure so just saying that it might be impossible to know without making a concrete proposal is just completely stupid.
9. Best to play it safe...
ZionistBill ,   Israel   (08.21.12)
....and attack Iran no matter what. If after we attack Iran we find out they were building a nuclear bomb, we will have been proven right. If after we attack we find they were not building a nuclear bomb, we will have killed a bunch of Iranians. I'm not really seeing a downside to this (except, perhaps, that we won't have a few extra bombs that can be dropped on the Palestinians as our jets make their way to Iran.)
10. #9 and those advocating an attack might want to
spyguy ,   seattle usa   (08.21.12)
RE-THINK the whole idea. If Israel kills a bunch of Iranians for no reason (per Zionist Bill) there will be long term EXTREMELY BAD consequences for Israel.If you think Israel is hated now, just wait until after you kill lots of Iranians. The basic reality is unless all Jews want to move to Mars, they have to live on this earth and making most of the people on earth very angry is NOT a way to have a very nice future. Israeli hubris may no bounds, but in the end hubris ALWAYS leads to humiliating defeat, always. If you want to continue to live on earth, think carefully about who you anger.
11. #2
shechem chevron jeru ,   Israel   (08.21.12)
#2- Chevron has always been Eretz Yisrael- who ya kiddin, buddy?
12. Iran
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (08.21.12)
Nukes are a critical Iranian interest so they can project their influence into Saudi Arabia and defend against American aggression. Iran not having nukes is a critical American interest because Iranian control of world oil is bad for the American economy. Obama could have neutralized Iran early on, but chose to focus on Israel. Now, exactly according to Ahmadinejads plan, any attack on Iran will have dreadful consequences for the whole world. The best thing that could happen to Obama and the Saudis is an Israeli attack on Iran. Israel would be blamed for everything, would be viewed as an aggressor, and would be considered a fair target for world/Muslim revenge. On the other hand, a nuclear Iran is catastrophic for the Saudis, and bad for the world, but Israel would not be blamed. As long as Israel holds Judea and Samaria, an Iranian attack (I deem unlikely) will be survivable. Israel's only chance is to shut up about Iran and to strengthen the hold on Judea and Samaria.
13. To: No. 10
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.21.12)
Whatever on earth makes you think that the world would mourn the passing of a primitive bunch of war-mongering Iranian knuckle-draggers? Don't you find that misogynistic bunch of chest-thumpers absolutely revolting? And why shouldn't Israel take existential threats seriously? The basic reality is that the State of Israel is here to stay. The Jewish people are here to stay (the world's best efforts over the past two millennia notwithstanding). The rest of you can go colonize Mars if you wish; we'll stay here. Good riddance! It's all of you anti-Semitic and Israel-hating rabble who are the ones who needs to think carefully about whom you anger. We've had quite enough of scum such as yourself.
14. To: No. 3
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.21.12)
Iran is believed to have used chemical weapons against its Kurdish population. And someone had better go after those scientists who are enriching uranium well beyond the point of medical or practical use. Wouldn't want them to run afoul of the fatwa, right? Just think of that poor Dutch filmmaker, the hapless Danish cartoonist and Salman Rushdie. Bad idea to disregard a fatwa, eh, Stevie?
15. Well, if we "won't know" ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.21.12)
.... we really have to depend upon Iran's own pronouncements which, of late, have been largely devoted to promises to destroy the State of Israel, which they call the "Zionist entity." An ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure, what motivation is there to keep Israel from turning Iran into a stinking heap of rubble? No one believed Hitler (may his name be cursed throughout eternity). Is that a mistake worth making again?
16. #15
Bruce ,   USA   (08.21.12)
Stop using Hitler has a example. The Iranians are no where near hitlers level, they would have wiped out the 35,000 jews that live in iran by now. And by the way Sarah B...are you an Israeli or american???
17. #3 Yours has to be the worst post
Jake   (08.21.12)
I gave ever read anywhere, by anyone, at any time. "Congratulations", so to speak.
18. #16 Not even close to 35,000 Jews
Jake   (08.22.12)
are still living in Iran today. If you indulge in such gross inaccuracies with numbers, then the rest of your claims cannot be taken seriously.
19. To # 16 Iran tried already
jerri i ,   USA   (08.22.12)
Around 1500 Iran had over 100,000 Jews. In the middle 1500's a ruler arose there who forced all the Iranian Jews to convert to Islam. During the next 3 1/2 centuries there were periods when Iranian rulers allowed the Jews to practice their religion followed by periods in which Jews were forced to become Moslem. This alternating sequence of events came to a close in the early 20th century when the Pahlavi dynasty arose. At that time 20,000 Jews remaining secretly in Iran were allowed to practice their religion. This group expanded to 80,000 at the time Israel became a country.
20. If You Don't Know #10
B ,   Florida   (08.22.12)
It could be Israel has already been nuked and they have no communications, moron! So maybe Israel should wait until the missles fall, or until you say it's OK to retaliate now. I guess you have never heard "boy". Iran Calls For "Israel"s Destruction" every few days!!!
21. @#3
Belinda ,   Texas, USA   (08.22.12)
Wow Steven!! You're naïveté is absolutely shocking!!
22. # 1
Stan ,   Israel   (08.22.12)
Well said Spyguy! you are the only one (besides me of course) who understands the situation. I have been telling Sarah B and Chaim as well as the rest these facts for over a year now.
23. #22. Like believing Hitler didn't mean what he said.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.22.12)
#22 Stan. It is downright lunatic to prefer Iran's Mad Mullahs won't use nukes on Israel; as they've threatened many times. During the Hitler era, Jewish leaders told Jews to calm down because Hitler would never do what he said he'd do. You are essentially doing the same idiotic thing. Destroy Iran's nukes NOW!
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