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Vatican appointment humiliates Israel
Menachem Gantz
Published: 22.08.12, 23:32
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1. Yad Vashem bowed to the "silent pope"
Steve   (08.23.12)
Yad Vashem bowed to pressure in behalf of this failed man that author John Cornwell called "Hitler's Pope." When the Jews capitulate in the face of incredibly immoral pressure, what should we expect in return but contempt from our enemies?
2. Hardly an embarrassment --
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.23.12)
All Israel has to do is refuse to accept Lazzarotto's credentials. The Vatican will have to decide whether to appoint someone else acceptable to the State of Israel, or to do without representation in the Holy Land. Now THAT would be an embarrassment to the Roman Catholic Church. See how easily the tables can be turned?
3. Refuse his entry into the country: that simple.
myplanetisrael ,   LA-Jerusalem   (08.22.12)
Israel should not allow such a man to enter their country, regardless of the Vaticans wishes. It would be highly immoral and embarrass Israel terribly. We don't need this: quietly make a call and refuse to allow the man in the country. Done Deal. Am Yisrael Chai.
4. Since Israel retreated at Yad Vashem why not ?
m   (08.23.12)
Retreating on such an important point, we deserve to be slapped again, until we learn to grow a spine.
5. Yad Vashem led by cringer Prof. Bauer bowed to Vatican ,qu
ab   (08.22.12)
-elle surprise ! The same Prof. Bauer shocked a visting group of teachers from Scandinavia by saying " The same thing could happen here..The Right wants mass expulsion of Arabs and mass expulsion leads to mass murder " But he was silent on mass expulsions from Gush Katif and Atzmona ...
6. Pius XII. was a Nazi collaborator and he
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.23.12)
helped to save Nazi killers after the war...He for sure will rot in hell for eternity...oh well...
7. Once a Wehrmacht----------------------?
(08.23.12)
8. To Mr's. Sarah B.
Luiz F Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (08.23.12)
Mr's Sarah B, I do agree with you. I deplore the refered nomination, from Vatican State, of a cleric with bad credentials, to be her representant in Israel. Unhappily, my Catholic Church, despite of much reforms, commits, yet, much errors. Israel is fully legitimated to refuse that person. Salutes.
9. #3, Yes, if he comes, send him home, same plane.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (08.23.12)
10. read 'Constantine's Sword'
mea   (08.23.12)
11. PERSONA NON GRATA
DA URBAN POET ,   SAFED OPERA HOUSE   (08.23.12)
We do not want any paedophiloe priests nor their apologists to soil the holy soil of Eretz Israel ,Terra Sancta.
12. You guys don't realize the strength of the Catholic church
David ,   Israel   (08.23.12)
Read Gideon's spies to see how crucial it is for Israel to try get on the side of the Vatican. Despite what many people think, the Catholic church is still incredibly powerful today
13. Pius XII saved 800,000 Jewish lives
Michael Kocian ,   Houston   (08.23.12)
The truth is that Pius XII was a hero, standing up for the Jewish people when no one else would. It has come to light that Russia set up a campaign to smear Pope Pius XII after his death, due to the Catholic Church's stance against Russia's communist tyranny. Pius XII is an absolute hero and very holy man. I have no doubt he is in Heaven with our Lord God.
14. Abuse scandal
Gene Graczyk ,   Santa Rosa, CA USA   (08.23.12)
I am Catholic and strongly disapprove of the Vatican's reluctant oversight of the bishops responsible for protecting predators. I am no fan of Lazarotto, either, for that very reason. However, Israel should be careful here. We have a well-known problem in this country with Orthodox rabbis protecting pedophiles in their ranks and demanding silence about the matter from their congregations. You must deal with this matter in your own ranks differently than the Vatican did to have any real credibility on the matter.
15. Historical precedent
Arie   (08.23.12)
I have to wonder why anyone is so surprised. I still don't understand the "need" for diplomatic relations between the Jewish State and an entity that has spent 1600 years trying to destroy us In recent history, we have the "kidnapping pope - pius X - who promoted and authorized the kidnappings of Jewish children, pius xii - hitler's pope, pius xi who promoted the destruction of Israel and made condemnation of Jews for alleged "deicide" his passion, and of course the current pope, a member of hitler's youth that continues to follow that very philosophy. Sending a pedophile as the "papal nuncio" is just another extension of the vatican hatred of Jews
16. In order for the Vatican's envoy start his functions
(08.23.12)
Israel must give what you call in diplomacy the "agreement". Israel can refuse until the Vatican names somebody accepted by Israel. The Agreement has to be given to every ambassador before presenting credential. Not giving the Agreement forced the Vatican to names sombody else, even though they will show a displeasure.
17. who cares
David ,   Haifa Israel   (08.23.12)
israel is not for the goy
18. Israel can choose not to accredit him
tf ,   herzliya   (08.23.12)
19. The Vatican
karmel usa   (08.23.12)
A vile, corrupt entity with immense power and wealth. A blight on true practitioners of religion and faith. Someday this corporate scourge will be called to account.
20. New oope representative
Itzik ,   Paris france   (08.23.12)
We should call for a demonstration at B vairport upon his arrival. But best response will be to deny him the visa entrance in IL. The Vatican should be ashamed with this appointment...
21. #18 That's the best option
Antonio ,   Spharad   (08.23.12)
22. An embarrassment to Israel?!
Kevin Donovan ,   Los Angeles   (08.23.12)
The appointment of this low life deviant embarrasses the Vatican alone. It is completely irrelevant to Israel.
23. Papal abuse
Ehai ,   Kfar Saba, Israel   (08.23.12)
The Catholic Church has been practicing child abuse ever since it appropriated the baby Jesus in his manger. (Isaiah 7:14) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_7:14 The Catholic Church teaches the absolute virginity of Jesus' mother and His Divine Conception myth was the first instalment of their epic campaign of child abuse. They mal-appropriated Jewish prophecies to style their story of Jesus' birth. To this day children in Catholic homes are being told to believe their Christ was born of GOD and not a mortal manmade conception. That is child abuse of the highest ideological extreme. It is time for Israel to reclaim its mal-appropriated prophecies and as well as this refuse to accept the credentials of this latest envoy from the Pope. Israel must never bow to the Popes and their ministry of the Word of GOD is not sustainable in its present dogmatism.
24. To: No. 14
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.23.12)
You missed the point. Israel does not have to accept Lazarotto's credentials; nor should it. The Vatican thus has two options, and two options only: (i) appoint a new nuncio, or (ii) have no representation in the State of Israel. I have no problem with either, although I admit to having a strong preference for the latter.
25. Don't let him off the plane.
Scott ,   USA   (08.23.12)
26. #2 Sarah B.
Rolly ,   Tampa, US   (08.23.12)
Sarah, for once I agree with you.
27. Yad Vashem Needs Shakeup
BlindAtYadVashem ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.23.12)
Try to find an in depth depictation of the Mufti Haj Amin Al Husseini you have to llook very very hard as it is buried in the back of the museum little or nothing is told of the Arab support of the Nazis -Why?! Their not always that proffesional either a British visitor not long ago pointed out a photo of a "German tank" was actually of a British tank. Overcrowding causes many to miss important exhibits poor planning causes for example most people to pass by without even noticing one of the most important films squeezed into a tiny room ,,, the loading onto the cattle trains and arrival at Aushwitz most people pass it right by and more needs to be shown of the brutality of the Nazis to other nations as well so that visitors can see the bigger picture of the horror the Germans and the Japaneese visited on the world it would help not weaken our story . An exhibit on current resugence of racist movements would also be in order as part of the main exhibit and not a side occaisional one. Left wing leanings by adminisrators also seems to play a part in exhibits.
28. Priorities
Christian ,   Sweden   (08.23.12)
Outside the Arab world you could hardly find a regime more hostile to Israel than Ireland. Given that and the precarious security situation of Israel , why should Israel at this time pick a fight with the Vatican on behalf of molested Irish children in support of the Irish goverment in its fight with the Vatican? Does it make sense? Israel must look to its own vital national interests. That could very well mean that you should recieve the new Vatican ambassador with gloves on your hands, but for the time being nothing more.
29. Simple Solution!
Taz Man ,   USA   (08.23.12)
Don't let the RCC cult member in--problem solved!!!
30. Gene , 14 . They are not ambassadors !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.23.12)
Those "rabbis" are NOT designated to become our ambassador , a BIG difference .
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