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Vatican appointment humiliates Israel
Menachem Gantz
Published: 22.08.12, 23:32
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31. Michael , 13 . Saved 800.000 Jewish lives ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.23.12)
When , where , how ? You can't answer , because it's a BIG LIE
32. How disgusting are the acts of the Catholic priests!!
Jouko ,   Finland   (08.23.12)
33. Refuse him!
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.23.12)
The government should refuse to accredit him. We do not need a person that protects pedophiles as an Ambassador here!
34. the foreign office actually DOING something about this?
oferdesade ,   israel   (08.23.12)
you have me rofihfvm (rolling on the floor in hysterical fits of violent mirth).
35. Papal Nuncio
ralph ,   Rishon le Zion   (08.23.12)
It is a well known fact that the country wishing to send an ambassador has to obtain the permission of the other country. What is the problem. Israel just has to tell the Vatican that this new nuncio is persona non grata. If the Foreign Ministry doesn't state this, then they should just SHUT UP as their silence is a sign of acceptance.
36. Common sense
Zeev ,   Rehovot, Israel   (08.23.12)
Diplomatic relations are established for dealing with cases of mutual interest. From the representative of the other side we need only two qualities: 1. That he was hostile to the minimum. In our case, he should not be an anti-Semite or a clear enemy of Israel, and an ardent supporter of "Arab affairs" 2. The representative must have the confidence of his government to the agreements were approved. As for his participation in defending pedophile priests in Ireland, to accuse him of it, and the more of pedophilia as absurd as blaming the lawyers in defending criminals. Apparently he was just following the Vatican orders As for his bad relations with the Government of Ireland, it is the most hostile to Israel among the Western nations and Israel has no moral obligation to this Government. However, if Ireland would oppose such an appointment may be to take this into account to avoid further deterioration of relations with Ireland.
37. pope envoy
Edy Burak ,   miami , usa   (08.23.12)
Israel can reject this envoy , and the vatican can send other.....
38. 13.Yes hes in heaven explaining to L G about the Jew Martyrs
Alan ,   SA   (08.23.12)
39. #13
Sharona ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.23.12)
I have 2 letters for you B & S. He was a collaborator responsible for the murder of Jews not for saving them. And HE signed the agreement in 1933 whereby the Catholic Church would remain silent on the murder of Jews if Catholics would be left along. You sure had rotten history teachers!
40. why expect different from a pope who was a member of Hitlers
army in WWII ,   jack bauer   (08.23.12)
41. 14 - Israel should be careful here ,...
split ,   US   (08.23.12)
There're more reasons to be extra careful ;) Google "Sex scandal past haunts new envoy" ,...
42. Jobs for the boys!
PJ Hogan ,   Cork Ireland   (08.23.12)
Has the Vatican learned anything from the disastrous and arrogant stance it took against the government and people of Ireland? Obviously not. It rewards a "prince" of it's disconnected church with a prestigious appointment to Jerusalem . The only conclusion I can draw from this fact is.....the more the cardinals obstruct the justice system of foreign sovereign states the greater their reward from the Pope. Carry on Rome...it will all come tumbling down eventually. The appalling crimes against innocent children committed by your priests and covered up by your Bishops ,Cardinals and Popes will haunt your palaces till the end of time. My condolences to the people of Israel.
43. Does somebody can explain me...
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (08.23.12)
I still don't understand why Hitler or Mussolini didn't destroy the Catholic State. why ?
44. Response to Christian Sweeden
PJ Hogan ,   Cork Ireland   (08.23.12)
Christian, I must take exception to your comment of anti Isreal sentiment in Ireland. The negative sentiment exists in left wing parties such as Sinn Fein. (IRA) and with with the current leader of the failed previous government. The majority of Irish people respect the right of Isreal to exist in peace with its neighbours. We have full diplomatic relations with Israel. The late Chaim Hertzog, former president of Israel was both Irish and Israeli. Damming generalisations such as yours, are both unhelpful and Ill informed.
45. P.S. to 41 ,...
split ,   US   (08.24.12)
By the way, note that the authors of this report conveniently forgot the fact that Mr. Scher abandoned his posting at the Israeli embassy in Brazil five years earlier after being implicated in child porn and before police were able to question him. Scher, who was the Israeli vice-consul in Rio, and at one point the consul-general, was charged with running an illegal child pornography and prostitution business. The case is still open.
46. 43 ,...
split ,   US   (08.24.12)
For the same reason they didn't invade Switzeland ,...
47. If a priest like this is a Vatican ambassador,
Jorge   (08.24.12)
THE VATICAN IS BANKRUPT AND ROTTEN, if a country like Ireland, that is deeply catholic, on this mans attitute, closed its embassy at the wrongly called "holy see", Israel should never accept this person in its territory, and if the Vatican is not pleased about it, just too bad, they can send this fellow to jump in the lake, with the Vaticans secretary of state, and also the German Pope
48. To: Walt at No. 43
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.24.12)
It wasn't in their interests to destroy such a useful ally. Don't forget that the Vatican issued thousands of passports to wanted Nazi war criminals following the Second World War, which enabled them to escape justice. Don't EVER forget that, especially when you start hearing talk that it is in Israel's best interests to have a relationship with the Vatican. Did you know that official pronouncements from the Vatican never mention the State of Israel by name? It is always "the Holy Land." That's what happens when you have feet of clay, you see. Roman Catholic dogma says that the Jews will never be restored to their homeland until they accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Well, we have our homeland back, and we continue to await the Messiah. Talk about being on the horns of a dilemma! All this supposed papal "infallibility" on issues of dogma ... oops, looks like the Roman Catholics got it all wrong!
49. Response to abuse of rc children by priests.
david patricks ,   nyc, usa   (08.24.12)
Most professions have a similar % of abuse rates, with teachers leading the pack. while priests have high numbers, protestant ministers and rabbis are not too far behind. in the catholic case, nearly 90% of the crimes were committed by practicing homosexuals... you do the math,this isn't a catholic problem it's a sexual deviance problem. the rcc has been trying to rid its ranks of homosexuals but have been facing huge pushback by secularists running the mainstream media (read: non-orthodox jews). the church is damned for allowing gays in its ranks, then it's damned for trying expel pederast gay priests.
50. Kick him out
Brod ,   USA   (08.24.12)
Israel could kick him out. Such a person should not be acceptable in the Land of Israel.
51.  Illogical article.
Zeev ,   Rehovot, Israel   (08.24.12)
The whole article looks illogical. If the appointment is an insult to Israel, it was all the more insulting to Australia, where he was sent immediately after the scandal. Why Australia did not express dissatisfaction and he worked there for five years? The author tries to connect Giuseppe Lazzarotto with the current Pope Benedict XVI, but most of his diplomatic career, including service in Ireland, passed during Pope John Paul II, who was the best Pope to Israel and Jews. The main accusation against Giuseppe Lazzarotto is that he refused to hand over records of child abuse in the previous thirty years. It is clear that such a decision, he could not take personally. This was the decision of the Vatican. It is for this reason that Ireland has closed its embassy in the Vatican in 2011, when Giuseppe Lazzarotto, did not serve in Ireland for many years. If Ireland and Australia did not use Giuseppe Lazzarotto as a whipping boy, wy Israel should? This can be justified only in the case when Giuseppe Lazzarotto is biased towards Israel, more than other Catholic theologians.
52. #14 Well put, Gene
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (08.24.12)
53. Sprotje 41 & 45 . Also from your "source"
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.25.12)
The Jews have a tighter grip on the news media in the United States than almost anywhere else in the world and are quite successful at keeping most Americans from hearing about their shenanigans. Says more than enough about your "source" .....
54. The Church
Zivron   (08.25.12)
All these years we who are not without guilt have suffered from these depraved perverts.Thank the Almighty the Baptists so supportive of us hate this Rome still Rome and pagan some so Christian saints as thr righteous Gentiles of Europe 20000 and more we need remember them in the general muck.
55. He did save 800,000 lives!
Juan ,   China   (08.25.12)
Just read "The Myth of Hitler's Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany" by RABBI David G. Dalin. There is your proof from a Jewish historian. Stop watching so many televangelists.
56. Juan , 55 . WHEN , WHERE and HOW
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.25.12)
Why is this rabbi the ONLY one to tell this ? Why no mention by other Holocaust Historians [ Martin Gilbert and others ] about this ? The pope pius XII was acclaimed by Sharret , Golda Meir and Weizmann ? You forget that they were "politicians" who had to use "diplomatic language" Einstein ? it was in 1940 that he praised the pope , did'nt know anything yet . Yes , he saved some 5000 Italian Jews by ordering the opening of catholic institution's doors to the Jews of Rome . Some 400 found also refuge at the vatican . That's ALL . I'm reading books , not watching televangalists . But i've never seen something that ressembles to the number you give .
57. 56 Charles Excellent !
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.26.12)
58. Number 13. Holiness of Pius XII
Joseph ,   London UK   (08.26.12)
If Pope Pius XII did save 800,000 Jews why can't the Vatican produce any evidence? After the war Israeli leaders did thank the Pope for his war time efforts, but on the other hand he ruled that Catholics who adopted Jewish children during the Holocaust must not give back to the Jewish community. As a matter of interest, future Pope John Paul II in Krakov rejected the ruling and did return Jewish children.
59. mind your business
joe ,   haiti   (02.24.13)
its not Isreals business
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