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Egypt purchases new submarines from Germany
Elior Levy
Published: 31.08.12, 14:02
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1. This is a good sign for us to cut the defense
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.31.12)
budget more. While our enemies are buying new weapons and weapons systems, the fools at the treasury always want to cut the defense budget. Cut the budget to the Min of Fin.! We should stop the child allowances to all those that never served in the I.D.F. Make those that never served return the money, cut all money going to non Zionist groups and make those that never served pay a defense tax on each member of the family. Stop payments to the families of prisoners and stop alyah of the elderly and sick.
2. Germany Arms Egypt
Nachum Ben Daniel ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.31.12)
Yes, Egypt really needs arms. 90% of their population live in poverty, barely able to read themselves, or even read, and they're buying weaponry. Whom do they think might attack them? Greece? Italy? Israel...? For godssakes...
3. # 1 Jason..
Ivan ,   South Africa   (08.31.12)
You wrote "stop alyah of elderly and sick" what are you smoking???
4. Famine 2013 a certainty;
norbus ,   jerusalem   (08.31.12)
Most likely to hit Egypt , and the poor nations in Africa, and Asia. No grain even if you have money to buy, as the US Drought has decimated the crop and 40% of maize is going for Biofuel. No reserve stocks in the silos , Russia and China short. 2013 is going to be tough . Can't understimate what Egypt can do militarily, but yes it is irresponsible to arm them.
5. where is the money coming from ?
zionist forever   (08.31.12)
Egypt is supposed to have big financial problems right now because of a mixture of the global economy, high unemployment and the revolution. They are asking for billions in cash handouts and huge loans from the IMF but they have all this money to invest in the military. Unlike Israel Egypt doesn't get things like submarines from Germany at a discount and German subs cannot be paid for using the $1.4 military aid it gets from the US so how will they be paid for? On the plus side of them buying Type 209s they are nowhere near as modern as some of the new design Russian & European diesel electric subs & Israel will probably be able to push Germany not to include certain systems. If they have the money for submarines and missile boats why do they need billions of dollars in cash handouts? With Egypt building up its naval power which is already much greater than Israel's and the instability caused by the arab spring its proof that we need to stop treating the navy as the poor relative of the IDF and giving them the scraps once the army and airforce have got all their new toys.
6. Ibrahim El Awal
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (08.31.12)
Egypt's new ship could meet the same fate as the Ibrahim El Awal, if they're no careful of how they use them
7. @1) The 1960 subs have no stealth ability & are not modern
Neo ,   EU   (08.31.12)
Israel got the most modern stealth subs from germany..
8. we will not allow anyone to enter our territorial waters
observer ,   Egypt   (08.31.12)
Egypt economy is not as bad as that of India, Pakistan, or North Korea. so, why the need for a defense tax. All Egypt need is a few of those plain subs and say Bye Bye To Suez Canal and Tiran Straits. King Abdulla FlyOver bridge is nearing.
9. # 5 zionist "where is the money coming from?"
Albrecht   (08.31.12)
Perhaps also from the German tax payer as for the subs for Israel?
10. Every nation has the right to defend itself
Yousef ,   Palestine , Hebron   (08.31.12)
11. Better to aquire some hens and eggs
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (08.31.12)
to feed the masses. If a new revolution will erupt it will be called by late historians the Great Cannibal Revolt. The first dessert of this "Arab summer" will be Morsi himself.
12. 9
zionist forever   (08.31.12)
Germany has always given Israel subsidies on weapons as some kind of Holocaust repatriation fund that they help Israel out with its defense needs and that is why it got its subs at a discount. Egypt has no such agreements with Germany so they don't get subsidies.
13. Heh heh They'll be artificial reefs soon...
NudNik69 ,   Ground Zero Tehran   (08.31.12)
I mean, these guys are supposed to have no money?! Blowing all their dough on old, dated technology - in a real war they wont have a chance - why not feed your people morons? just stupid
14. #8 Who WANTS to go near Egypt to harm?
NudNik69 ,   Ground Zero Tehran   (08.31.12)
I cant think of anyone but tourists that would want to violate your territory where you think you need subs?? Your economy is shot and its going to get worse...as will many places around the world. These subs are a ridiculous waste of money.
15. #9 Heh heh..We know who got the better deal though??
NudNik69 ,   Displaced by ARABS   (08.31.12)
Yes, there's still quite a lot that the German taxpayer should be doing for Israel...after all the Reich nearly wiped out all the Jews including over a million children.
16. #3 IVAN
TEL EM STRAIGHT ,   SAFED OPERA HOUSE   (08.31.12)
Please ignore #1 Jason .He is talking rubbish ,as is usual for him .
17. #4 well said
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (08.31.12)
You have pointed out the big news in 2013. the news that everyone is ignoring. And of course, the Obamabots will blame Bush or someone, not good ole Barack
18. Wow, Germany is a "great" friend
Logic ,   Israel   (08.31.12)
First, they built up Iran and now they sell subs to Egypt.
19. # 9 Albrecht
Daniel J. ,   NY, US   (08.31.12)
It's the least you Germans can do after cowardly murdering 6 + millon of men, women and children.
20. to #16 You are talking garbage!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.31.12)
We do not need the elderly and sick coming here and putting a burden on our medical facilities. What happened Ivan? Dumped your old folks here and you want Israel to take care of them. You went to s.a. Why do we need to care for them. I want to go into my Kupat Holim clinic and see a doctor or get a blood test this week and not have to wait till next week or the following week. I paid for over 30 years into the sick fund. I paid extra for Mooshlam and Mooshlam platinum. They did not!
21. Subs...a good source of Iron?
Koose E Mack ,   NY NY   (08.31.12)
One would think that Morsi's govt. would be more concerned about raising the standards of living for the common folk of Egypt? They need more submarines like fish need to learn to swim. Even rabid Anti-Zionists like Morsi understand that Israel has no intentions of attacking Egypt, unless duly provoked.
22. #3 Jason
steve from raleigh   (08.31.12)
Your own RSA has a number of similiar subs but they never leave port because no one can staff or maintain them. Most countries discover that having these new sexy weapons systems is a LOT harder and more expensive and complicated than simply showing it off on TV and hoping your enemies are cowed.
23. Type-209 subs DESIGNED in the 60s
observer ,   Egypt   (08.31.12)
And, read it carefully; GERMANY IS BUILDING for EGYPT two subs having MODIFIED 209/1100-1500/Dolphin characters. But, who said that the larger version Dolphin sub is advanced, Who said larger size is advantageous? Computerizing to carry nuke is not the best by any means.
24. to #6 don't count on ships of the US 6th fleet this time
observer ,   Egypt   (08.31.12)
rounding the sub, and British & French Navy ships to attack. Type 209 sub has TORPEDOES.
25. 13
zionist forever   (08.31.12)
The Type 209 is in service with about 15 countries and is still a big seller. The boats that Egypt is getting may be based on a 60s design but they are brand new equipped with advanced equipment. They may not be as good as the Dolphins which whilst based on the 209 is very heavily modified to make it much better than the off the shelf 209 its still a good boat and remember all it takes is 1 lucky torpedo to sink a ship.
26. Guess there is only one question
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.31.12)
How are they going to pay for any of these weapons? Egypt is not only broke, but begging for the US to forgive their debts. And then beg for even billions more money. Enlightening isn't it?
27. Arms race in Middle East !!!!
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (08.31.12)
iran and the arabs are trying to unite and build up a potent army against Israel and the west. Beware !! I hope Israel continues to have superior weapons to the racist muslim countries. Hopefully, Israel and the US will be able to annihilate these racist vermin when they start the next war ,and they will !!!!!!!!!
28. Just what poor, hungry, filthy Egypt needs -- submarines!
Scott ,   USA   (08.31.12)
29. "Down Periscope" was a great comedy
Guy ,   KC, USA   (08.31.12)
Even funnier is el-Gendy saying, "the Egyptian navy are capable of [responding] to anything."
30. Can't feed their people, but can buy submarines.
Avi   (08.31.12)
And with their declarations that Israel is Egypt's biggest enemy, we can guess on who this sub is meant for.
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