Opinion  Ron Ben-Yishai
Cold peace better than nothing
Ron Ben-Yishai
Published: 01.10.12, 13:03
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1. hmmm 4000 AKs pointed at jews is NOT a good idea
jack bauer   (10.01.12)
if abbas wants them he can get them out of the PLO cashes he already has hidden away... We dont need to be arming more terrormongers while we limit our own people from protecting themselves.... not to mention our IDF doesnt protect us anymore from murderous attacks, instead they are busy uprooting good peaceful people
2. Agreeing to pal "right of return" is "reasonable gesture" ?!
ab   (10.01.12)
3. War will not end anytime soon
Avi ,   Usa   (10.01.12)
You really believe these few minor gestures are what missing. Give me a break. It is in the interest of pals to make peace. There will never be one state unless arabs relocate. Other than that there will alway be enough room to create 2 states.
4. Dear Ben-Yishai
Palestinian   (10.01.12)
What is needed to jumpstart peace talks and real peace talks Acknowledgment: 1. Balfour from Eng-land has no right to give away our homes to the migrants of Europe 2. israel was founded by gangs of Haganah, Irgun and Stern and want to live in peace with the Palestinians
5. Israeli concessions
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (10.01.12)
The "Palestinians" want a "Palestine from the river (Jordan) to the sea (Mediterranean)". Unless the Israelis decide to walk voluntarily into the sea, there will never be peace with the Arabs - regardless of any "concession".
6. Ron
Devorah   (10.01.12)
What makes you think the PA will keep any agreement it might sign, much less Gaza? As much as I respect you, I feel this idea of yours is fanciful and unrealistic.
7. More Israeli gestures?
Madeleine ,   Israel   (10.01.12)
What - we're supposed to make yet more gestures to Abbas just in order to start - er sorry, resume - talks that would eventually lead to forfeiting more of our security? Weren't the 10 months' freeze enough? And what gestrues, exactly, has Abbas made to Israel?
8. Abbas is Holocaust denier.
Jules   (10.01.12)
9. abu mazen Is Only Interested In PIECE
Not PEACE! Concessions can be made with his king abdallah, trans-jordan is arab Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bibi and Any Israeli Government Have To Deal Only With The Mortal Threats from persian arabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Mythical people Claiming Jewish Land Is A FARCE END THIS SHAM ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And TAKE BACK OUR TEMPLE MOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10. #2 ab NOT SUCH THING As Right Of Return
arabs Left , When arabs said we will Murder the Jews and then we will have All of the Jewish Land. Then arabs that left could come back and claim Jewish Property!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No Concessions Would Ever Be Enough!!! Give A Finger and arabs Take a hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11. No more concessions, gestures. End sick "peace process".
Chaim ,   Israel   (10.01.12)
Every Israeli patriot must rise up and DEMAND a complete, permanent end to Israeli concessions. Israel has nothing to talk to Holocaust denying terrorist Abbas about. This land is ours now and forever. Let us all end the sick, phony "peace process with Palestinians" forever. Pay them to leave our land.
12. Ben Yishai writes:
E. G. Marsch ,   Nahariya, Israel   (10.01.12)
"It is better to deal with a sovereign political entity which could be pressured by the international community than to be fully or partially responsible for the Palestinian population." Yeah , just like some sort of "international pressure" on Egypt, Lebanon, or Gaza (which is also a sovereign political entity) stops Sinai, Lebanon, and Gaza from being major, terrorist-and-rocket-laden security problems for Israel. Ben Yishai also writes: "There are also signs that Israel and the PA can reach an agreement that would extract the Jewish state from its isolation in the international arena...." The Jewish state is isolated in the international arena because: it does not belong to any geopolitical or cultural blocs; and--related to the first reason--anti-Semitism remains a powerful force in the Islamic and Christian worlds, something Israel can do nothing about. In short, Yishai wants to create another terrorism/missiles outpost in Judea and Samaria, like the ones in Gaza, Lebanon, and Egypt but even more threatening because of where Judea and Samaria are; most of us are rational and do not. Ben Yishai is generally a good analyst but he cannot shed his left-wing identity and hence remains prone to serious error.
13. a further comment
E. G. Marsch ,   Nahariya, Israel   (10.01.12)
Ben Yishai claims Israel is dragging its feet on providing 4000 Kalashnikovs to Fayyad's "security forces." Fayyad regrets this. I'm glad about it.
14. votes
john   (10.01.12)
I cannot believe people would choose men who are not willing to make peace. i think there should be paper trail for every vote . When both know who really they work for , they will be forced to make peace.
15. No more Concessions
Joe Sombrero ,   USA   (10.01.12)
No more Appeasement.
16. Concessions
Dave ,   Petach Tikva, ISRAEL   (10.01.12)
When, oh when, will "pundits" and "experts" like Ron Ben-Yishai start demanding "gestures" and "concessions" from our "Muslim friends" like Abbas?? When will they demand that THEY stop "dragging their feet" on genuine negotiations based on good faith, good will and compromise on BOTH sides?? Where are demands to stop media incitement against Israelis in particular and Jews in general? Why no calls from these "experts" for Muslims to start educating their people for acceptance of and true peace with Israel??
17. Every peace is cold
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (10.01.12)
No one loves a peaceful solution, few like it, but EVERYBODY knows they have to accept it, however reluctantly. Hence, a cold peace Israeli and Palestinians is nothing to be displeased with. On the contrary rather...
18. only one thing
andres ,   austria   (10.01.12)
Palestinian, at that time there were no countries, all were colonies, everything was divided. if the arabs agreed with the europeans who gets what why canĀ“t the jews that at that time lived in your beloved palestine which was jordan, part of libanon and siria? if is the case, we should take all these countries too. sorry for your home but you are a colateral damage. we are at the end all something like that for the historiy of the world
19. 4000 AKS?
Reuven ,   Zichron Israel   (10.01.12)
I look it at it differently. A civil police force does not need Kalatchnikov assault rifles. Israeli Government should agree to 4000 pistols similar to those of the Israeli Police
20. Let's stop talking about peace talks
michael redbourn ,   Arad   (10.01.12)
Lieberman said it quite clearly, "no peace is possible whilst Abbas is in charge". Abbas and co. don't want the West Bank. They've been offered more than 90% of it on three separate occasions and turned down the offer. What do the want? The want and end to the Jewish State! This is about religion and not land. So let's give up on hypocrisy and talking about peace talks. Israel must do what's good for Israel, and that's all she wrote.
21. Ben Yishai, please! You start the ball rolling!
Harry Wright ,   UK   (10.01.12)
Give your house and any other property you own to a Balestinian family. Show everybody how willing you are to give MORE concessions. You will be shining example to the nation of Israel.
22. He is right
Keren, IL-BR ,   TEl Aviv   (10.01.12)
Of course he is right. If we don't trust the actual Palestinian leadership, who will we trust? Hamas? Hizbullah? Time to Israel to start making gestures to our neighbours or else we will be completely isolated under Barack Obama second term.
23. To #4
Ex syrian Jew   (10.01.12)
How about to 800,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries?
24. #13. Arming Fayyad's terrorists is pure lunacy.
Chaim ,   Israel   (10.01.12)
#13. Israel is the only nation, in all of human history, to voluntariy arm her enemies! IT absolutely boggles the mind that Israel would even consider arming Fayyad's terrorists. How do the idiots, who make such decisions, rise to power in Israel?
25. He is right
Daniel ,   JM   (10.01.12)
History shows that if not for the cold peace between nazi germany and european governments all hell was likely to break loose. True the conditions of peace were unpleasant but resulting cold peace was better than nothing. Can you imagine if instead of visionary Chamberlain in charge were warmongering hot heads such as Churchill, a known alcoholic - for all we know we could have had a second world war in our hands!!! When dealing with a foe sworn on one's destruction, appeasement is the way to go.
26. Maybe, ROR...
WannabeMillionaire ,   USA   (10.01.12)
Maybe the Jews should have the right to return to Europe and leave Palestine for the Palestinians.
27. concessions? its their turn now
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (10.01.12)
It is time that they showed us some good faith concessions. We have always wanted peace; it is they who have been the obstacle. let them give us something this time. personally I think that they have no intention of wanting peace - rather they use 'peace' as a device to get us to weaken our security - like our giving Gaza to them and in return they gave us rocket and mortar fire.
28. Ben Yishai
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (10.01.12)
Let's leave prejudices behind and pretend that everyone just wants peace. A successful two-state solution is contingent at the very least that both Israel and the Arab state have viable and defendable borders. The problem is that no such borders exist. Arafat knew this, Rabin knew this, Martin Sherman proves this. Even Mitt Romney said it. So why does the undeniably smart Ben Yishai keep pushing the two-state solution when he knows it will not bring peace
29. Enough Land
Zivron   (10.01.12)
With engineering and technoly the jewish state can support city million people with martyrdom votes it will be a Historical Just Democracy from the capacity to the work and need and Work includes skill a constant and wholesome dynamic.
30. Palestine
Henry ,   Cavite, Philippines   (10.02.12)
Too late for peace now. War is just around the corner. MB is politically mobilizing. No matter what Israel gives the Palestinians, even if they feed each Palestinian with their hands, still they cannot erase the animosity, hate and urge to destroy Israel. Israel must be ready to fight and destroy the MB...King David style.
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