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Palestinian state 2.0
Asaf Romirowsky
Published: 01.11.12, 00:31
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1. Islam rejects Jewish History
Zivron   (11.01.12)
Islam believes it has replaced Judaism and Christianity as the True Faith and that applies for eretz yisroel. Block out the Jews who have contributed to the Islamic population explosion and much Islamic approval of nazism not including Holocaust Denial.But there is a problem a conflict that in the main needs a peaceful remedy.
2. A surprisingly good article
Lawrence ,   Or Yehuda   (11.01.12)
3. "grave injustice" inflicted by people like arafat and abbas
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.01.12)
on their own people to keep them in slavery so they can stay in office and complain forever.
4. Enuf- times up, move on
vinnie gambini ,   ny   (11.01.12)
the so called palestinians are wasting their time. they need to get on with life. move back to trans jordan.
5. Only a couple of problems
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.01.12)
First off the partition plan VIOLATED Article 80 of the UN Charter and second the General Assembly can only make RECOMMENDATIONS. So the entire issue is moot - it is our land and the Jordanian colonists are not allowed to have any of it
6. Abbas
graczek ,   Maryland, USA   (11.01.12)
In this (and many other) instances, Abbas's regarding of the Jews as the source of Middle East and Holy Land injustice is exactly on target. The majority of folks in this world are in full agreement with him.
7. Annex zone B and C, make zone A an
Yossef   (11.01.12)
autonomous region under Jordanian administration for 100 years. Then renegotiate the statute of zone A.
8. the injutice done to palestinians shall never be,forgotten
abdalla   (11.01.12)
9. Luckly the world begins
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (11.01.12)
to be tired with the artifical palestinian problem. The racial tension is getting worse and worse in Europe and also in the US. After some years news headlines will inform about bloody battles in London and Paris and the Holy Land will be an island of peace in the world.
10. Arabs have no legal, historical, or moral right to be in the
Ray ,   U.S.A.   (11.01.12)
the West Bank. I just wonder why no one knows history and international law as relates to Israel.
11. the real issue
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (11.01.12)
This has nothing to do with justice or law. Abbas, like Arafat before him, is smart enough to know that there is not enough room for two viable states. Abbas knows that there are only two choices. choice 1, a Jewish homeland and disperse the Arabs back to their homelands. choice 2, a new Arab state clean of Jews. He picked 2.
12. Arabs ethnically cleansed Jews from ME
Norbus ,   Jerusalem   (11.01.12)
where is the justice in that. Best bet for all Pals to go live in Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, where they came from less than a 100 years ago.
13. 6
(11.01.12)
the majority??? you mean youtself? but you do not count, sir.
14. There is one way out, for both Arabs and Jews of former...
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.01.12)
... "Palestine" - the name of a territory, never a nationality or a state of course: The application of the legal partition of the "Palestine" between Arabs and Jews of 1921/22: 77% of "Palestine" to the Arabs and 23% of "Palestine" to the Jews. The 77% part of the territory is located between the Jordan River and the Arabian desert and was handed over to the Arabs back in 1921 who, subsequently, renamed their part Jordan. The 23% of the territory is located between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea and was assigned to the Jewish people in 1922 who, subsequently renamed their part Israel + its territories of Samaria, Judea and Gaza. This legal partitioned is part and parcel of international law, and is etched in the UN Charter, Article 80, 1945, as an irrevocable act of the League of Nations. Jews, in the Arab part of former "Palestine", and Arabs in the Jewish part of former "Palestine" should benefit, as called for by international law, from all human, civil and religious rights; while, the national rights of each of the two respective communities should be exercise strictly within the allotted part of former "Palestine" assigned them: Jordan and Israel, respectively.
15. Greedy, thieving, racist, brainwashed Jews repeating history
Steven Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (11.01.12)
16. Palestinian state 2.0 - What are OUR borders?
Baruch ,   NY NY / Akko   (11.01.12)
The UN created Israel out of a sense of shame and responsibility. It is entitled to create Palestine --for the same, or for any other reasons. The question Ms. Romirowsky's cotton candy fluffpiece does not address is exactly why Israel opposes the recognition of today' s Palestine as a non-member state. And that is a question for which i, a committed Zionist, have long awaited a rational and legitimate explanation...
17. #16 corrections
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.01.12)
The UN created NOTHING. It does not have the power to create any state and they certainly did not create the State of Israel. The UN does not have the authority to create any entity and has never done so. According to a minor issue called international law - all of the land west of the Jordan River BELONGS to us and cannot be given to any other group or government. As for 'Palestine' - they can have whatever they want - but not on OUR LAND. They do not have any legal claim to our lands period. That a good enough explanation?
18. Romirowski talks nonsense
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (11.01.12)
He simply and disingenuously omits that the Palestinians HAVE actually recognised the State of Israel within the 1949 armistice line. They have acutally done what Azzam Pasha told them not to do, so his whole article collapses like a house of cards. Likewise the Arab League in 2002 unanimously agreed to recognise Israel within the 1949 armistice line in return for Israel recognising the Palestinian state within the territories it occupied in 1967. Negotiations about mutually agreed adjustments of the 1949 armistice lines would be fair. So while Israel's future was secure and the Palestinians recognised the State of Israel, the latter never recognised a State of Palestine within the 1967 borders.. Israel's policy is clear. It does not want peace, but territory and is prepared to slowly expel the exisitng Palestinian population between the Jordan river and the Mediterraneanean, in order to build the "Jewish state". Israel's greed is unbelievable. Back in 1917 the number of Zionist colonists were very small in what was an overwhemingly Arab country in which there were Musims, Christians and non-Zionist Jews. These Zionists (Weizmann specifically) gave assurances that they would never harm the rights of the existing non-Jewish community and see what happend in the years after. For 100 years they betrayed their promises and did exactly what the Palestinian Arab population feared they would do: take over the whole of Palestine and make it a Jewish state, where the no-Jews are "hewers of wood and drawers of water". Even now the Zionists speak with forked tongues. Just read Asaf Romirowsky's made up nonsense here.
19. Peace ONLY via BALANCE, balance ONLY via SECURE BIG ISRAEL.
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (11.02.12)
20. Nothing done without good faith.
Luiz F Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (11.02.12)
Without good faith from the both sides, through a honoured peace's agreement, the conflict will never cease. Two States into old Palestine's British Mandate are the only solution. Redrawed borders are necessary. But while Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah do not recognize, in fact, Israel, not giving up from erred "right of return", the Jewish State must defend herself. It is very clear. Peace is impossible under radical positions.
21. go and aske it
bofo ,   jerusalem   (11.02.12)
i belive that e vry thing can automate itself history does .. go an aske it
22. to 11
bofo ,   jerusalem   (11.02.12)
always there is another choice than the two or the 3or the 4 .. it is to s ay no if you want only one to put the choice s
23. to 14
salma ,   dooooooooooooraaaaaa   (11.02.12)
in 1922 my mother was born in a villag near hebron it wa not my mother alon it is now 284 person all of us are here
24. They have deeds
Gregg ,   New York, USA   (11.03.12)
Legal documents showing ownership of their homes & land in "what is now called Israel". So who is "rewriting history"? And who is simply speaking the truth? Simply let ALL the refugees, and their decendants come back to their rightful homes, and THEN take a vote on what the future will be. THAT would be "democracy", not the "jews-only :democracy" that you are trying to sell the world now.
25. End "injustice" by paying "Palestinians" to leave.
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.03.12)
Enough of the phony complaints by Jew hating "Palestinian" poseurs. End to so called "injustice" by paying "Palestinians" to leave our land once and for all.
26. To No. 25
Bertram ,   London, UK   (11.03.12)
A number of questions: 1. How much should each Palestinian be paid? 2. What would you do if the offer was declined? 3. What would you do if no other country was prepared to accept Palestinians?
27. #26. $200,000 per "Palestinian" family to leave forever.
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.03.12)
"Palestinian" families are already leaving Judea and Samaria by the thousands annually. There is no problem with them finding somewhere to live. Especially if they are fairly compensated by Israel for leaving. Israel should prepare concrete plans to pay "Palestinians" to leave. $200,000 per "Palestinian" family is a good figure to work with.
28. #24, Sure, when Manhattan is returned to the Manahatta
Jake   (11.08.12)
After all the Manhatta Indian tribe were swindled out of their land to make way for the land that is now called New York, whereas the Arabs sold their lands and exhorbitantly high prices, and then tried to wipe the Jews off the map to prevent them from consolidating their gains. Excuse the Jews for winning.
29. Ben Alofs #18, simply wrong.
Jake   (11.08.12)
When the facts are held up to scrutiny, it is your post which collapses like a house of cards. While the PLO proclaimed a "Palestinian state" in the territories beyond the "Green Line", it has never formally recognized Israeli sovereignty within the Green Line. As a result of the Oslo Accords, the PLO formally recognized Israel as a party to negotiations, but not as the sovereign of the territory within the pre-1967 lines with formal international borders.
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