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Female soldier rebuked for 'offending' religious comrades
Noam Barkan
Published: 12.11.12, 23:52
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31. Haredim need to be put on notice
Dan S.   (11.13.12)
The source of the problem is the fact that the IDF and Israeli government have taken an ambivalent stance on this whole issue. Dealing with Haredim in this respect is quite simple: First - Draft all these Haredim without exception. Second, they can get all the kosher food (which all soldiers should get), but that's it. There should be no special code for one group vs. another in an army of the entire nation, especially at the expense of others. Third - there should be no tolerance of various Haredi threats one way or another with respect to their adherence to IDF doctrine. Insubordination and sedition must not be tolerated. All Haredim must serve. Those who serve must do their duties and follow orders. Those who fail on both counts should be shot. Problem solved.
32. Israel will lose the war from inside
Michael   (11.13.12)
Israel will lose this war from the inside among the Jews. When the government allows the racist and sexist Haredi to dictate what people can and cannot do, Israel is doomed. Don't forget, Israel was founded by secular Jews. What a terrible shame that it has come to this.
33. Yet make fun of Saudi Arabia.
sonofyaffa ,   Palestine   (11.13.12)
34. Israel
dogday ,   san diego USA   (11.13.12)
Is Israel nuts? The short answer is "Yes." A longer one would look at the polarization brought on by the settlement project and the racism growing in response to external criticism, just like racism throughout history. But, "Yes" will suffice.
35. Haredi are a joke!!!
Jake Stone ,   USA   (11.13.12)
This is so stupid!!!
36. WTF as in Whiskey Tango Foxtrot that's...
Just Sayin' ,   Israel   (11.13.12)
what the ultra-religious need to do. Have a Whiskey, then dance a Tango and a Foxtrot! and if that isn't enough they should all go and read the commentary attached to the section in the Torah about the Sons of Korach. As I recall it says that some of them sons of Korach were saved by the fact that the women were busy braiding their hair. Gees these ultra frummies are perverted and need serious therapy!
37. Haredim
Sagi   (11.13.12)
are the finger on the self destruct button which will bring Israel down. It will be an implosion that will cause exaltation in our contiguous enemies and the traditional ones further afield. It will be the end of an illustrious chapter in the history of our people, the chapter called "Zionism".
38. I seriously doubt the commander who told her to write the
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.13.12)
essay had any authority to tell her to do so, he was just off on his own little trip. And I hope she didn't write the essay, a transfer to some other base would be just fine.
39. To No. 29
Bertram ,   London, UK   (11.13.12)
For once, I am in total agreement with what you have said.
40. A plague on Israel
Ethan Schwartz ,   Eilat   (11.13.12)
It sounds like the secular officer over compensated. Between the demands of the orthodox that have nothing to do with Judaism and the ignorance of the polarized seculars, little issues incubate into ridiculousness.
41. newsworthy
Leah G ,   Itamar   (11.13.12)
It's more than a little weird how y net has chosen THIS ridiculous piece as newsworthy while deleting much more important news like the homes in the heart of Israel (Itamar) (look at the map!) are growing like mushrooms under government approval. Da! It'll be the only safe place! stop being biased and provocative- we are in the 10th hour of the 6th day and this is what you choose as news??????????
42. Is heredi people are sexually driven, like crazy?
Jew1 ,   Ashdod   (11.13.12)
We are turning into taliban. Please do not accept their unjustified demands. You give them finger and they will sollow the whole hand.
43. Ynet is Israel's
Paul ,   Jerusalem   (11.13.12)
Al-Jezeera. Instead of the Jew being the object of ridicule and slander, Ynet directs its bias on Religious Jews. To go from the pure environment of a Yeshiva to the malicious, disrespectful, and often degenerate mentality of Leftist demands for what is normal in the military, is not all that attractive, and denies many Charadim from even considering Military service. Ynet has a shameful, provocative immoral sensitivity to those who choose to remain sexually and spiritually healthy.
44. Male soldiers must support their female collegues
Jochai Rubinstein ,   Israel Kfar Saba   (11.13.12)
The finger curled around the trigger is offensiv to me
45. to 29 & 39 Bertram
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.13.12)
There are not many satmar nor netoure karta . Of course we will not miss them . But the majority of Charedim are different , those who serve in the IDF certainly .
46. You have to be a mysigenist to recruite them
Taxpayer ,   Hod Hasharon   (11.13.12)
My daughter was a sergeant in charge of new recruits - her last task in the army was to put a group of Haredim through basic training. First of she was told to wear a long skirt - an illegal order which she successfully objected to. She was then given a corporal because obviously she was not allowed to issue a command to the soldiers - she had to tell the corporal to order them. Then one of them told the corporal to tell the "shikse" that he was going home because his wife was going to the Mikveh and he was entitled to a 24 hour leave. And then she found out that these raw recruits, the same age as her elder brother were getting paid more than he was, and after all he was only a combat officer. She obviously had a real problem before the final parade because the corporal did notknow Hatikva - so how could she teach it to them - obviously she dod not want to have sex with them so she could not exactly sing it to them in case they wanted to havesex with her. Anybody who wants to recruitethe Haredim has to be a mysogenist.
47. What a BS story! missing facts!
ari ,   jeru   (11.13.12)
5 page essay?? LOL what a joke. that mum is a lier. she lied about the shoes and she lied about the essay...this whole story is full of holes
48. What about our sensitivities?
R ,   Israel   (11.13.12)
Why must we be considerate of the haredim if they will not be considerate of us? Their sensitivities constantly cast women as sexual objects rather than human beings. That offends our sensitivities! My suggestion is that all secular women go on strike together.
49. Soldier reprimanded for braiding another soldier's hair
Dee Etshtien ,   Kfar Neter, Israel   (11.13.12)
It's time the ultra orthodox learn to accept AND RESPECT the ways of the secular community. The secular population is expected to respect the ultra orthodox. The female soldier did not attempt to braid the the of an unwilling orthodox soldier. This signifies all that's wrong with the mentality and the direction this country is taking. Wy don't we ask the orthodox community to give us seculars money, tax credits, free education.aft all without the secular population the country's infrastructure would come to a stand still. Te ultra orthodox situation is no different the the radical Islamists in trying to enforce their beliefs and customs on others. This has to stop!
50. IDF is supposed to be a melting pot gateway for Haredim
Avi   (11.13.12)
It's supposed to be a ticket for them to learn about the rest of the country. With no TV, newspapers, internet, no mixing, not leaving their ghettos, this IDF is a crucial way for a haredi to see the majority of the country. It should be a tool so they'll adapt to us and integrate, not that we'll integrate into haredi way of life.
51. 'braids'
caleb ,   israel   (11.13.12)
The whole affair is so absurd that it seems like it is some kind of 'setup' for creating some kind of friction. If it is coming from the religious soldiers they should be taught some Jewish law or just look the other way.
52. veggie shoes
kevin ,   england   (11.13.12)
Clearly this artical is based on the mother's words. A mother and daughter who have funny ideas about shoes. prob didn't quite portray the story as it was, or aren't capable of doing so.
53. Hassidim not jewish
Itamar ,   Ramat Gan   (11.13.12)
No wonder, when Hassidisme was born, by Baal hashemtov, it was considerd alien avoda zara and heretic by de mitnagdim then the leading jewish orthodox, it was forbidden to marry them, they were not even considerd Jews, and today they destroy Israel
54. Exactly what is happening to Israel
Moragh   (11.13.12)
The more I read about all those mish-mash cult religions, the more I am glad that I'm just a plain old Christian. I read and believe the Bible... with all the mish-mash different beliefs in Israel, I'd go off my rocker!
55. Judaism
Albi ,   Ashkelon   (11.13.12)
It is becoming more and more evident that the future of Judaism as a universal humanistic religion will only succeed outside of Israel Here it is a tribal, political, corrupt, vicious demogogic, hateful, greedy alter worshipping disaster. Is this what we dreamed of?
56. Were they both girls?
Danny ,   London England   (11.13.12)
What possible objection could there be to two girls braiding each others hair? or embracing each other? The problem would be for men outside their family to publicly embrace female soldiers. It sounds as if the episode was just a misunderstanding.
57. Please read again!
Akiva ,   NYC   (11.13.12)
The IDF spokesperson says there was nothing wrong with braiding each others hair and that the officer made a an 'error of judgment which was corrected'. Posters who criticize obviously have not read the whole article. The IDF also resolved the non-leather shoes issue.
58. Rent a mob?
Joe ,   Baltimore, USA   (11.13.12)
I get the clear impression that there is a rent a mob waiting to misrepresent the news in order to attack Yiddishkeit and Yidden. The IDF itself says it was a mistake that has now been corrected, yet posters write as if the IDF had defended this strange misuderstanding. The Halacha of negia obviously does not apply to girls braiding each others hair or hugging each other.
59. Personal Responsibility
Great Stone Face ,   Fairfax Station USA   (11.13.12)
Instead of putting such restrictions on women soldiers, the IDF should enforce personal responsibility on male soldiers. The male soldiers need to realize they live in a pluralistic society and must restrain their urges. If they cannot, then how can they be trusted to act appropriately in defending Israel?
60. Secular/Haredi IDF
Kevin John Lee ,   Barrhead/Scotland/UK   (11.13.12)
Now! at last secular Israel,will maybe get an education into the religious jew,instead of critising those blacks. But what is correct is that NO Israeli national should be outside of recruitment.
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