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Real meaning of UN vote
Dan Calic
Published: 02.12.12, 11:07
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31. Lynx no 1
AL QUDS ALYAHUDI ,   QUDS HAKA AL YAHUD   (12.02.12)
Thank G D you are admitting UN4MUSLIMS are ungrateful bunch of corrupt organization
32. no 3
AL QUDS ALYAHUDI ,   QUDS HAKA AL YAHUD   (12.02.12)
Do you remember when Israel freed 1000 + Gilad Shalit ? Do you also remember that Israel gives thousands of prisoners for very few Israelis. You cant have the cake and eat it. Israel enemies all round Israel.
33. Salma no 4
JUDAH THE LION ,   JEWS FIGHT LIKE LION   (12.02.12)
Ok you won the vote in the UN4ARABS. Let see if they now can give you ISRAEL or Jerusalem, or to give you 1% independence. Israel are the masters, Screw Europe and the world.
34. (22) world citizen....
tiki ,   belgium   (12.02.12)
In case you didn't know, bread can be cut from two sides! There will be no 'Palestinian state, unless Arab Palestinians decide they want it more than abolish Israel! This Monopoly state is all they are going to get. We know it and their leaders know it. Only silly people are celebrating about winning the Monopoly game! The endgame is going to be: Gaza back to Egypt, Jordan with some little border corrections will be called Palestine and Israel including Judea & Samaria will stay the Jewish homeland! Write it down!
35. LEGALISTIC UN is RULING...itself out of PRACTICAL existence!
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (12.02.12)
36. @2 Yehudi europi
Amerikaner Yid ,   USA   (12.02.12)
According to Foreign Policy Magazine, it was a combination of France twisting arms of Spain, Italy, and Greece and Germany deciding to abstain.
37. vote UN
linda ,   Paris, France   (12.02.12)
Freud said he created psychoanalysis because a Jew is habituated to be at opposition.
38. Harold 29
(12.02.12)
You will see that when you go SIX FOOT DOWN. Israel for Jews. Arabia for Arabs, China for Chinese, India for Indian end of story
39. meyer no 30
AL QUDS ALYAHUDI ,   QUDS HAKA AL YAHUD   (12.02.12)
40. Israel should expell all illegal arab settlers
jason white ,   afula, israel   (12.02.12)
from our holy Jewish land. Use whatever force it takes to remove them and their leftist allies. Next time there is a natural or man made disaster, Israel should not send any aid or personnel to help. Look at the haitians and how they stabbed us in the back. We help and they want to see us destroyed, so we do not need to waste a cent on these ungrateful countries. There should be a law to ban any aid to these countries and fine organizations that send aid and imprison those who go to help. Where was the world when thousands of rockets,missiles and mortars fell on us? Did anyone send a band aid? A two man tent? A bottle of water? No one did, except for a few individuals. No more aid, no more teaching public health and no more free surgeries to those that would see us destroyed and their families.
41. I believe this was wrong of UN, but for a different reason.
Miron ,   USA   (12.02.12)
Israel was created in responce to 2000 years of persecution of Jewish nation since 1st genocide of Israel by Old Rome. In other words creation of Israel, or national state homelands, was never UN primary mission. It was a unique asnwer to a set of very unique circumstances. To put state of Israeli neighbors on the same plane by UN is an hostile act of a group of states who seem to beleive that heir vote can define states, as a norm. It exceeds UN charter and illegal. I think the legality of this action should be contested and proven to be false. The proof should be very simple. Israeli neighbors do not meet basic norms of sovereign on one hand. And are party to a hot conflict over vast landmass where the attacker spans very large set of people across nations and continnents motivated by hate of Israel. The adventure of getting in such conflict for UN as an arbiter of who wins and who looses is a serious gamble that undermines UN standing as a law bound organization and turns it into a bias bound organization. And that in turn spells out trouble for its relevance, credibility, and existence.
42. Soon 500,000 Palestinian-jews. Hopefully
BDS   (12.02.12)
they'' be full citizen. Not like in israel were there are a least three classes: male jews, female jews and non-jews.
43. Publish Hamas and the PLO Charter
Nathan Rai ,   Bangalore   (12.03.12)
Israel, Publish Hamas and Fatah Charters along with Israels Charter . Let the world know the truth. Publish it along with the location of the original document . You will always won the military war. Its time you think of ways to win the war for minds and hearts... Let the world know that your today is our tomorrow..
44. #22 - you forget that its a two-way street
William ,   Israel   (12.03.12)
and while Israel was only accused of "maybe" committing war crimes in a report that the very author pulled his support for after seeing additional evidence hidden from his team by Hamas and others, Hamas was accused for ACTUALLY committing war crimes by many. Don't think for a moment that while the "Palestinians" might take Israel to the ICC for violations that the same actions will not be taken against the "Palestinians" themselves. Infact, there is now a option for many other countries whose citizens were targeted and killed by "Palestinian" terror to take them to the ICC for war crimes. The beauty of Abbas' actions at the UN is this - before now, terror orgs could never be held liable for violating laws and conventions that existing States must adhere to, and often got off completely free for their atrocities - and the world has been looking for a way to bring them to justice and under the same rules....and being able to sue the PA/Hamas helps open up a global option to a global scourge.
45. #23 - it's part of the Leftist false view of "fairness"
William ,   Israel   (12.03.12)
They would only consider a war "fair" if both sides can equally kill each other in level and ferocity. That's stupid because it basically perpetuates a conflict until one side has only one person standing. It also equates terrorists like Hamas with a nation-State trying to protect itself. Per their own perspective, Al-Qaeda should have war planes like the Western nations.
46. #29 - Nice prediction. Can't work under Intl Law
William ,   Israel   (12.03.12)
Why? Because the history of the land didn't begin in 1967 no matter how you try to slice it. The land is much older and so is the historical ownership rights which, if taken in a narrow perspective, becomes much richer in context by simply going back to 1850. Showing the Jewish ownership of land which was stolen from them in 1949, flooded with illegal Arab immigrants until 1967, only one conclusion can be taken from this situation today - that Jews have reclaimed part of their land stolen from them in 1949. Perhaps a "Palestine" will exist as a full State but that will depend on it - according to many of the supporters who gave YES votes with conditions - reaching a final peace accord with Israel and ending the war once and for all. Will they be able to do that? Perhaps not - they still speak of destroying Israel, don't they? If they do have a State, the land swaps will render the largest settlement blocs Israeli, and the rest will close down. Basically, it's the Oslo Accords returned, which Arafat walked away from in 2000.
47. #42 - will there be a BDS movement to help them?
William ,   Israel   (12.03.12)
What we've heard from the "Palestinians" is yet another ethnic cleansing of removing ALL Jews from any future State of theirs. When they move on that goal, will BDS work against the "Palestinian" govt, and demand they be made full citizens? I bet not. As far as Israel - it appears you've never been there before. Ignorance appears to be your strength. In Israel - there is equality for all - with slight discrepancies that mirror Western States, mostly along gender and income lines. If it was as bad as you claim, non-Jews would run from Israel, right? Nice try.
48. Are people really 'helping' to promote peace?
Jonathan   (12.03.12)
I don't understand. A person (e.g., Abbas) is denying the 'existence' of the state of Israel - against the UN resolution of 1947. Despite that, the UN is 'upgrading' its status? Where is the UN now when Israel is bombarded like that? The UN supported Assad blindly, when he was causing all those issues in the North of Israel. Where is the UN now? This is super predictable: as long as the UN is acting like that, why would Abbas or Hamas start talking to Israel? They can do whatever they like, and still get 'praised' by the UN. The UN needs to be consistent. This 'policy' would not even help 2 children fighting in the kindergarten...
49. Abbas won NOTHING!!!
Taz Man ,   USA   (12.03.12)
All this godless heathen did was to assure the welcomed destruction of the Palestinian lie and its people; soon, they will cease to exist! God bless, Israel and His Jerusalem!!! A Christian Zionist
50. To: No. 4
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.03.12)
Good! Israel will cut off the ersatz "Palestine" Auithority, and will revoke the work permits of the ersatz "Palestinians." The United States Congress and the Canadian Parliament will cut you off, too. You've never been anything but a bottomless pit of need and want. Have no fear -- the international community stands with you, doesn't it? Surely they will send money. They never have in the past, but perhaps the declining economy has given them a change of heart. Not! Of course, since Israel is going to annex Judea and Samaria, and will repatriate all Arabs illegally squatting in the West Bank, they are going to have to send that (nonexistent) aid to Jordan. You're a fool, Salma.
51. To Sarah B
Dan Calic [writer]   (12.03.12)
Good points Sarah. Salma should also know the PA has been collecting financial support from Europe and the US which in totality exceeds the money all of Europe got under the Marhall Plan in order to rebuild after WWll. Yet the PA constantly needs more money. It's a proven fact that Arafat stole over $3 billion stashing it away for himself and his cronies. Abbas has continued this criminal tradition, yet they are not held accountable. They only know how to hold out their hands. They've never been taught to the meaning of holding hands....if you know what I mean.
52. Dan Calic - Most ridiculous artcile ever
Anonymous ,   TX, USA   (12.03.12)
This is the most ridiculous article i have ever read. 1- PA, and Fatah, have for several years rejected terrorism, on paper, speeches, and by action, which gained praise from all Israeli politicians. Just because the PA recently did something you don't agree with, doesn't justify your attempt to label it as terrorists now. 2-You are asking Abbas (PA) to recognize Israel as a Jewish state....What a Joke, states don't go around determining what other states are supposed to be...It is up to the Israelis themselves to deternine what type of state they want (Jewish state or otherwise)... All the PA can do is recognze Israel as a state, which they did both in bilateral agreements with Israel, and through the UN...So Dan you want the PA to intrude itself in Israeli internal affairs??? What next Dan, asking Abbas's approval on Israel's military budget...LOL.
53. To the israili biple
Mostafa Benali ,   Djerba , Tunisia   (12.03.12)
you lost the war against hamas litely and you lost the vote at the united natios for balistinan biple. Inchallah balistine will be free from israilis and you israilis where will you go? to amirika? we arabs make ten child ber family when you do 2. I make calcul aritmitic in 40 years we will be more than you israilis. today balistine tomorow israil, jost wait like us, no rokits , no ak47, nothing jost we wait. we arabs we will win and you go to amirika. Allahou akbar.
54. #3 michael
aaron ,   toronto,canada   (12.03.12)
The same amount as english killed by the IRA.Anything else you want to know?
55. @ Mordachai 13: regular thinking person.
Anonymous ,   TX, USA   (12.03.12)
Yes Mordachai. If you take a person who has no info or history knowledge of the issue. And fill his head with your Biased views and warped history. He will of course give you his initial nod of approval. But what most people will do then, if the subject is of interest to them, is go and do some research of their own, and typically look into both parties viewpoint, and come up with an educated viewpoint. So next time you see the guy, don't be surprised if he changed his mind
56. world nothing
aaron ,   toronto,canada   (12.03.12)
They can't take any israeli to the icc cause israel is not a signatory to that sham.Keep dreaming.
57. micky australia
aaron ,   toronto,canada   (12.03.12)
Micky,we don't have to take anybody to the icc,we have our own justice system,(see olympic terrorists).
58. If I didn't think you were being dead serious..
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (12.03.12)
...your post would be hilarious.
59. #30 Not Alone
ltrail ,   United States   (12.03.12)
meyer in Israel. Know this, that you are NOT alone. G-d not only knows, but will always be with you. Then, there is the entire remnant of the world's peoples who pray for you and support you. What a mighty G-d, Ha Shame, is.
60. #29 Predictions
ltrail ,   United States   (12.03.12)
I predict that the State of Israel will annex the area included in the districts of Judea and Samaria. I also predict that Jewish settlements in those districts will increase ten-fold within the next few years.
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