Why do we think the Palestinians need our permission?? We are the colonialists, the occupiers. The Palestinians are fighting for their freedom and independence. We better stop being arrogant and righteous. Otherwise, the world will totally turn against us. As we celebrate Hanukah, it's important to remember that we once did what the Palesrinians are doing now. If it was right for us, why isn't it right for the Palestinians?

New York, the place that granted him a "state". Let him stay in his capital city of News York, at the headquarters of the UN, and Israeli negotiators will meet him there. He should not be permitted to enter the national home of the Jewish people after he pitched to the trash the agreements with Israel that have enabled him to be based in Ramallah.

just perfect, clear as water.

That the Palestinians are not interested in "freedom and independence" unless it involves ALL of historic Palestine. They've repeatedly said they won't stop demanding the right of return even after they get the "1967 borders".

want Israel piece by piece by piece, until no more pieces to be taken

... how many Palestinians lived here back then? That's right, Rachel, absolutely none. Seeing as our existence in this land predates that of the Arabs, who then are the real colonists and who is really being occupied?

Israel has nothing to talk to Holocaust Denying terrorist Abbas about. He wants to mass murder us and steal our land. We don't let him. Total victory over "Palestinian" poseurs and their departure from our land is the answer. Abbas has accomplished nothing with his U.N. bid except to destroy the sick Oslo Agreement, which Israel never should have signed in the first place.

The real problem is that Abbas will not recognize the state of Israel. He could perhaps make an agreement with a Jewish state which would accept suicidal conditions in such an agreement. As it is he gained tactically by his U.N. bid and humiliated Israel and the Jewish people, isolated us further. However on the ground he gained nothing, and he has no real state and cannot get one without Israel's consent.

The Macabees, the Zealots and other Jewish warriors fought to liberate the Jewish homeland, not to give it to foreign occupiers such as the so-called "palestinians". One can never be an occupier or a colonialist in one's own land.

The Jewish reaction has been counterproductive because a Palestinian statement of state status is not necessarily a threat to Israeli security .A jihadi State is but only people who can live in peace with their Jewish neighbours can be allowed to live in such a state,

On the BBCWS last Friday,I think,a certain Fatah/PA crony,Abdullah Abdullah,so good that they named him twice,bragging that Fatah outdoes Hamas's 25 years of fighting the 'occupation' let the truth slip.Fatah,he said,has been on the ground for 47 years,since 1965. In his excitement,he failed to notice that 1965 was 2 years BEFORE the area that Fatah now wants for its state was liberated by Israel(in 1967). The ENTIRE area was illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan.They'd had 17 years until them to set up that state and 19 years in the end,yet they did not do so. So whom and why was Fatah fighting in 1965? THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

So long we have such writers both on the sides of PA and Israel, peace will never be achieved. Repetition of parrot like statements, from both the sides, are pretty !

And a very poor, shallow 'Historian' as well. Had I have the same space, I would have decorticated and showed every single lie of his. But let's take only two: The Arabs (Palestinians) who live in Israel were there centuries before the author and his likes came to this land. The settlers, who just arrived with the benediction of every single Israeli government since 1967, are violent illegal occupiers who should be thrown there where they came from. The ethnic cleansing started with the creation of Israel, when 700 to 800 000 Palestinians were expulsed from their homes, a well documented fact: as a ‘historian’, he should known better and be ashamed. And not even mention the word. Your lies don't work anymore. Anywhere. You should be naive to think the contrary.

The uprooting and ethnic cleansing of 700-800 000 Palestinains of their homes in 1948, that's what they where found to fight. Facts are there, speak for themselves. Don't try to fool the others, no one beleives you anymore.

And blablabla and bla ! Aren't you tired repeating the same lies all the time? It is not Israel gives and the Palestinians get: Israelis have nothing to do in Palestine in the first place. When peace is signed-and respected by the occupying power, there are thousands of ways to guarantee its application. Stop crying, no one believes you anymore.

How did Jerusalem supplant MECCA as the Holiest City of Islam? What is this ongoing Arab whining about Jerusalem? It's like the Catholics denying that ROME is their Holy City. Islam has MECCA. Catholics have ROME. The Jewish Nation has JERUSALEM - as decreed by HaShem.

Please tell me where your "facts" come from? You should be thrown into a river. I'd love to do it. Your one of the ignorant ones arent you? Babu stay in brussels have your 300 kids and collect your welfare :)

and Rabin, though he brought us the Oslo Accords which have failed miserably, he wasn't supportive of a "Palestinian" State knowing full-well their intentions from 1920 onward. Jews who built Israel weren't ethnically cleansing anyone - and the multi-cultural population of Israel is testament to that. And unlike the "Palestinians", Israel has offered its hand for peace numerous times, including the land for peace offer immediately after the 1967 war which again was rejected by Arabs. Hamas has set the tone for the future of a "Palestinian" State. It would be smart of us to heed it, despite the minority of self-righteous idealists Leftists like your ilk who are so supportive of "Palestinians"....until a rocket lands near your favorite cafe in TA.

Very witty! I love your sense of humor.

My previous comment was censored so let's see if it passes this time - '48 declaration of independence enshrines and accepts specifically the territorial boundaries in UNGAR 181, anything outside of that boundary is not sovereign Israeli territory, period. Armistice lines are not sovereign territorial boundary; territory cannot be acquired via war. There is no legal basis to require anyone to recognise another State with re: it's religion. The PA has repeatedly recognised Israel's existence. When the term "all of Palestine" is used, it is with re: UNGAR 181 borders. Under international law, it is correct. Uncomfortable facts, I know, but still is the reality.

#1) There were also around 750,000 Jews who were "ethnically cleansed" from Arab countries like Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Yemen as a result of the 1948 war. Where did most of them go? Israel. #2) Jews have lived in the territory called Palestine since long before it was ever called Palestine. Our roots in this land go back 4,000 years. Just look in your Quran; did prophets Dawood and Suleiman speak Arabic or Hebrew?

Is that so? How do you explain, than, the existence of the United States: a present from Britain and Mexico and the Native Americans to the European colonists? Or every arab state in the Middle East? Gifts from Germany, Turkey and Italy to England and France, further passed on to wandering tribes of bedouins? How about the borders of almost every country in Europe? Very peacefully and nicely decided on, correct? Your facts are a bunch of B.S.

This is a gay who wants to eliminate Israel, just like that female MK who hates Israel so much and do not deserve to even live in Israel. He obvious should understand he is not entitle to be treathed as a counterpartner, just a trailer-trash,....

My long suffering friend. May I politely remind you that the farther you return in history the more proof is found the land you say is yours is in fact the biblical homeland of the Jewish people. It was given to them by G-d,with promise after promise it belongs to them forever. This is written in the Bible centuries before Muslims took control of Jerusalem in the 7th century, if you care to look that up for yourself. Second, since you seem to think Muslims are allowed to reclaim land which previously belonged to them, you defeat your own statement, since the further back you go the more proof Muslim are not the original owners. Of course you're entitled to believe what you choose, even if it is pure revisonism. All the best.....

Some examples you gave were before the Geneva Conventions, others were legally created by the mandate system after the world wars. It is not intellectually honest to use prior examples of other countries when the subject is the conduct and obligations of Israel. Yes, according to the GC IV, Section III, Art. 42: Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. Article 47: Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, **nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory.** The West Bank, Golan Heights & Gaza are all "under the authority" of the State of Israel, which controls its borders (Rafah crossing is controlled by Egypt according to treaty with it and also the recent ceasefire) - movement of persons & goods are controlled and the population is subject to the IDF control = occupation. Legal annexation of these areas requires a referendum put before the inhabitants (Palestinians); if they do not approve the annexation, it cannot legally be annexed. Facts do not cease to be facts because they are uncomfortable, unpopular or we choose to ignore/disbelieve them. They are objective and stand on their own.

Croatia, Bosnia Servia etc and that was after the Geneva Convention. In Israel's case the war was waged against Israel in 4 different times by the Arabs to destroy Israel. The wars that Israel waged were defensive. Israel did not invade unilaterally. So the Geneva convention here has interpretations. The refugees of the 1948 war, were not exaclty refugges of war expelled no, they were invited to leave most of them by the local leader in order to wage a war against the Jews. This was going to be a war of anhilation just like in 1967. In both cases Israel defend it's existance. Israel did not invaded the West Bank as Hussein did with Kuwait in the First Iraqui war waged by the allies. Israel was attacked first. The late King Hussein of Jordan said. "We attacked, we lost we must pay". And that is recorded. Besides Israel had a War with Jordan not Palestine. Here we have a legal dispute. Palestine as a such as a country after 1948 never existed it was all anexed by Jordan and Egypt That is why Israel claims all these territories are disputed...

You are both wrong. Who mentioned Moslems and Jews? You did. Because it suits you so you can come to your threadbare, wear out disc and to convince yourself and try to convince some others: it is us who where here before and God gave that to us… This is a political conflict not religious. I am not Muslim, never been. It is a kid, amusing stories: God gave a territory, the Prophet has jumped from Jerusalem so this territory belongs to us. How can a God allow that you, in his name, throw 800 000 people out of their homes, bomb their refuge place and kill children, uproot their olive trees? The only thing you offer this people is to remain quiet and behave as you want him to behave. Or, simply, disappear. As to Jews who came from the Arab world: the Zionist movement’s raison d’être was and still to absorb Jews from all over the world. The outrageous injustice inflicted on Palestinians in the 1948 war can explain the Arabs’ reaction towards their Jews though not justify them. For both of you, self-righteous, religious or fervent Zionists, when you feel stuck, hung-up, you come out with revisionism, God, ownership… It is evident that you are, and many of your likes are in argument bankruptcy. Wake up! Time has changed.

In Israel's case- which is the subject, not any other country - it does not matter what wars were for what purposes, international law is clear, and the '48 claimed borders are the only sovereign territory of the state of Israel. (Trans)Jordan annexed the West Bank at the *request* of the Palestinians living there, as a temporary "trustee" arrangement. Likewise with Egypt. Both relinquished their temporary trustee relationship later on, and that is why there are no UNSC resolutions against them. The Palestinian territories are not legally, as you say, "disputed" - they are clearly *outside* of Israel's sovereign territory, and are clear. Armistice lines are not territorial borders. It is really very simple, and clear. To obfuscate, bring in other countries which have no bearing on Israel, to use history before the '48 Declaration of Independence are useless in making the argument that anything outside of the '48 claimed borders is Israel's sovereign territory. Nothing changes this fact, and it is important to only deal with facts.