EU detached from reality
Yochanan Visser
Published: 19.12.12, 18:11
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1. Not even EU citizens care about what the EU thinks
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (12.19.12)
So why should anyone else? In fact, all of Europe is too weak, too poor, too old and too slow to deserve being listened to. With the possible exception of Germany, that actually has a voice in the world and is able to get things done, European nations can safely be ignored.
2. EU
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (12.19.12)
The EU politburo does not care about 500 million Europeans - why should it care about 8 million Isrealis?
3. Are there any limits to your audacity and arrogance? ,...
split ,   US   (12.19.12)
How long do you think you're going to push this crap unchallenged ?,...
4. EU can have E1 opinions after returning ALL Holocaust assets
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (12.19.12)
EU states want Israel to "return" to the "Palestinians" 100% of West Bank and Gaza territory - most of which they never owned in the first place, yet EU states refuse to return more than about 6% of the land and assets that they stole from Jewish Holocaust victims, and refuse to give back. Israel should categorically reject EU right to voice opinions on the matter until after ALL Holocaust property - 100% - is returned to the Jewish people. If they are comfortable with Israel delivering only 6% of the WB to the PA - same percent of assets the Jews got back from Europe, Israel can probably work with that. If Europe demands 100%, then Israel needs 100% returned also - about 3 trillion dollars worth in current dollars. Otherwise, EU should STFU, they have no moral right to open their mouths.
5. E1 and the EU
Ari Gold ,   LA, USA   (12.19.12)
Good article. Very informative about the land designated E1. Interesting how the Europeans are willing to give away or take land as long as its not their own. As long as housing isn't built on private property without compensating the owners, what business is it of the EU. No country should have to give up territory conquered in war without getting something in return.
6. the 'Peace Proces'
tiki ,   belgium   (12.19.12)
It keeps having a nice 'ring to it. That's the EU for you.....empty shallow talkers without any substance or knowledge. Israel should sideline these pompous nobodies by telling them that THEY are part of the problem and should change their ways or 'forever hold their tongue!
7. To #3, split.
MnEd ,   USA   (12.19.12)
So, why don’t you take your own words and “challenge” the author. I know, it’s hard to dispute facts when all you have is Ersatz Palestinian fantasy. One last thing, if you really are from the US (and I assume a citizen), could you remind all of us who it was that mourned with America on 9/11 and who danced in the streets and handed out treats. Trust me, that is burned into our collective memories and just one of many reasons why Israel never has to worry where America will stand if crunch time ever comes.
8. splat, #3, It's not crap..it's reality- mortar, bricks,homes
Jake   (12.19.12)
Did ya think Abbas was going to get away with tossing the Oslo Accords into the shredder, without an Israeli reaction? Think again.
9. #3 unchalenged??? are you from earth?. end
marcos ,   mexico   (12.19.12)
10. Article fails the topic: El Kuds as capital
Mary   (12.19.12)
Nice piece of throwing the truth into dust or at least fog. The protest is about the illegal annexation of the part of El Kuds who is populated by Armenian Christians, Greek Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic Christians, Lutheran and Presbyterian Christians who happens to be also Palestinians living in peace side by side with its Muslim brothers and sisters. Ask non-Jewish people living in jerusalem about the idea of building in E1 and You will find some insightful answers, if You are interested at all in other people.
11. Enough Room
Zechariah   (12.19.12)
Telaviv was built from sand dunes and could have easily taken in a million Jews from Nazi Europe from 1933-1940 through Turkey and over the Mediterranean but Islam refused refuge so this is the mess this is the hatred this is the vicious cycle .Until Islam repents and compensates apocalyptical scenarios remain .
12. 4 - EU states refuse to return more than about 6% of the lan
split ,   US   (12.19.12)
No one invited you there you invaded them - Squatters can't have a land or any assets acquired at the time they squatted on someone's land,... Take a hike duck ,...
13. #4 Super post, Dr..Thanks!
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (12.19.12)
14. # 3 You need to tell that...
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (12.19.12)
to the European Union Split. Those would be good words for Mashaal too. It's time Israel stands up to both of them.
15. #3 - it's not clear to who and to what you'r referring ..
michael redbourn ,   Arad Israel   (12.19.12)
16. 1949 lines
Jacques VITENBERG ,   France   (12.19.12)
You wrote "The EU uses the word borders and it's wrong" You are right, but when you use the word "armistice lines" you are wrong too... Armistice lines are "de jure" lines in a bilateral act.. It was not the case. 1949 LINES ARE ONLY "CEASE FIRE LINES", NOT A BILATERAL ACT; Each party accept it with the UN observers.IT IS NOT A BILATERAL ACT, JUST A DE FACTO LINE, NOT DE JURE LINES;
17. EU detached from reality
Joe ,   Uk   (12.19.12)
Why not send this article to all eu countries and the un and ask them to answer the artical it will be interesting to know their answer
al mann ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.20.12)
No one can deny that the sons of esau were always against the sons of Jacob, as were the descendents of Ishmael. They have all been trying to destroy the Israelites for thousands of years.There are no surprises.
19. Media influence
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (12.20.12)
One of the many problems is that parts of the media misrepresent Israel and this in turn leads to others following the inaccurate information. Recently the New York Times printed a correction to a previous account that said building in E1 would make a contiguous PA state impossible. The Israeli paper most used by EU foreign correspondents appears to be Haartetz, which says a lot.
20. E.U. has no business interfering in Israel's affairs. Period
Chaim ,   Israel   (12.20.12)
The E.U. had better tend to it's own fast disintegrating society. It has no business interfering in Israel's affairs. It's way past time Israel told it to butt out now and forever.
21. #10 Your comment doesn't make any logical sense
At what point you're talking about Armenians, Greeks etc. the other you're talking about their "palestinian brethren". Ha! The Christian population in the palestinian territories are constantly diminshing, it's doing that all over the Arab world. If these areas are populated by Armenians etc. we might actually be doing them a favour, even saving their lives.
22. #10 mary - you fail the facts
solomon ,   bklyn   (12.21.12)
There are no Jews because they were kicked out, and returned, throughout history, as they built Yerushaliim. The Kingdom of Judah was in Judea and Samaria. (Ever wonder why Judea is named Judea?) And there is no peace between Christians and Muslims. Even the Pope complained about the treatment. There are many fewer Christians in Bethlehem than were there when the Israelis (aka Jews) controlled it. Your 'facts' are fables.
23. 75% of EU is Arab Elected Officals & Arab Supported.
izzy ,   USA / Israel   (12.22.12)
75% of EU is Arab Elected Officals & Arab Supported Countries. Europe is slowy becoming Arbic and Muslum. In France Arabs close down streets a pray. Europe is loosing ther identity..You can see thier elected officals are Arab and Muslum. EU is hurting themslves and they dont even know it. They are not preserving thier National identity. Arabs and Muslims want to take over the world, and they are slowy doing it.. Remember OIL makes the world turn? Arabs have the largest reserves suppling the world today. They have power to influence countries. Watch what happens whe thier OIL runns out? They Got Nothing!! Nothing they can leverage or supply humanity. Long Live Israel....Build, Build, Build. Arab dont want Peace. If they did they would have it a long time ago. Let the Arabs live and be refugees another 20 years unitl the Arabs realize Israel is Not going away and they must recognize Israel exsitance. How the EU doenst push the Arabs on this issue shows; the EU is baised toward Israel and EU is infuenced by Arab Elected Officals & OIL... Dont you smell the Oil? I Smell Oil Everywhere! Bigizz USA / Israel. Arabs use it as leverage and influence the Nations who need thier oil...
24. EU detached from reality or Israel?
April ,   New York, USA   (05.14.13)
As an American I was appalled that we didn't vote for a Palestinian state. If Israel has committed war crimes, it should go to the ICC, as should America. Obama having Israel's back is bad for Israel and bad for U.S. Do Israelis care about how America is doing? Our ex military warn us that our no matter what support for Israel harms our image in the middle east and exacerbates anti Americanism. Some, but not all, can be laid at Israel and AIPAC favorite defense: a charge of anti semitism. What about Islamophobia? What's democratic about violence by Israelis against Muslim and Christian Israeli arabs? Are segregated schools and buses "democratic"? Learn arabic in schools so you can speak to your neighbors! Don't build walls in your hearts. Hard to do if you don't speak the same language and don't personally interact with THEM. The paranoid pronoun.
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