US: NRA chief irks Israel
Orly Azoulay
Published: 25.12.12, 09:56
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NRA Chief Wayne Lapierre is either : 1) Extremely ignorant and stupid 2) Totally insane 3) ill meaning or 4) all of the above.
2. Stupid to attempt to put out fire with gasoline.
Ypip ,   Canada   (12.25.12)
Thank g-d Berko stepped up to the plate to douse such twisted logic as Lapierre's. NRA's in huge trouble for abusing the 2nd Amendment with their rhretoric, and they know it.
3. So if an Arab terrorist shoots up a school
that is not a school shooting? Don't be ridiculous Orly.
4. Who cares as long as the Second Amendment is preserved?
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (12.25.12)
5. Guns in the US
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (12.25.12)
Mr. LaPierre mistakenly attributed armed guards at schools to "school shootings", when in fact the armed guards in Israeli schools, health clinics, hospitals and malls are to give a first response to any violence, includings knives, bombs, clubs and also guns. Mr. LaPierre should have mentioned other Israeli incidents to support his case for the Second Amendment. 2008, a terrorist attacked a high school in Jerusalem, managing to murder 8 and wound 11. The attack would have been much worse if not for the student Yitzhak Dadon who used his personal firearm to kill the terrorist. A policeman at the scene did not engage the terrorist because he (justifiably) feared for his life and waited for reinforcements. Also in 2008, a terrorist used a tractor to try to kill people in Jerusalem. He managed to wound a few people before an armed civilian shot him, saving countless lives.
6. Generalizations are wrong, but still: judging by the recent
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.25.12)
re-election of a President, and the insane disability to acknowledge that their 2-end amendment is piece of crap the Americans are showing themselves to be not-so-sharp shed-tools!
7. @3 Terrorist and Mentally ill not same
David N. ,   Haifa, ISRAEL   (12.25.12)
You missed the point: Israelis don't tend to open fire on Israel schools. Even terrorist attacks on Israeli schoolchildren is rare. Dealing with terror is not the same as dealing with your own mentally disturbed citizens. AND we don't have the internal violence problem that you Americans have. School and mall shooters in America are almost all mentally disturbed, while terrorists blow up themseves. How exactly to prepare several tens of thousands of schools in a huge country against such a statistically rare event? Arm the teachers? And how will they look for snipers? Will they charge the shooter in the classroom?
8. No connection between terror attacks and legal gun license!
Tevye ,   Chelm   (12.25.12)
In no case an Israeli kids took his father's gun and went into a school and started killing his schoolmates. This was done exclusively by terrorists who obtained the weapons illegally in any case. No connection between legal gun license and terror attacks in Israel!
9. NRA is one of the biggest dangers to America
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (12.25.12)
According to the NRA, Israel is a communist state with no civil rights at all, because we don't allow everybody in Israel to freely purchase machine guns with no restrictions. According to the NRA, not only should we allow everybody in Israel to buy M-16s, but we should now equip all of our firemen with machine guns in case anybody shoots them when they go to put out a fire - just like in America. The NRA is a bunch of heavily paid lobbyists paid for by the gun manufacturers. They do not care about people's "constitutional rights" to life and liberty, but they do indeed want everybody in AMerica to have the weapons so that they can kill other people and claim "self-defense". Israel is not America, and the NRA is NOT welcome here.
10. #9 Brian
Erez Gur ,   tel aviv   (12.25.12)
The question is what you want to achieve. Disarming the people contravenes the Second Amendment that enshrines the citizen as the sovereign and not the government. The citizen is armed so that the government will fear the people. You can disagree, but first read "Gulag Archipelago" by Solzhenitsyn. If your point is to reduce the number of homicides, that is a different issue. If you want, I can prove to you that the NRA is correct and Obama is wrong. Feel free to ask.
11. #10 is right
Steve   (12.25.12)
Israel is a Jewish state. Israel is very different from America; a melting pot. Can anyone imagine Israelis electing a man like Obama? What will foolish American voters elect and empower next? This is the very thing America's Founders feared and why they gave Americans the Second Amendment; so they could defend themselves in the event (God-forbid) a foolish majority elected a tyrant.
12. 300million people in US & 300 million guns pass out more?
miki ,   tampa   (12.25.12)
13. Wayne La Pierre
Joe Charlaff ,   Jerusalem   (12.25.12)
His information is totally inaccurate and the sooner he realizes that unless assault weapons are banned from private use, these shootings in the US will continue
14. What a joke this quiote is!
"“Israeli citizens are not allowed to carry guns unless they are serving in the army or working in security-related jobs that require them to use a weapon,” he said." What about all those crazy settlers that shoot with impunity, anyone not wearing a skull cap??
15. What nobody has asked La Pierre
What if the bad man with a gun, shoots the good man with the gun at the school. Aren't you back to square one??
16. Leftists can handle the truth
Avi Mizrachi ,   Tel Aviv   (12.25.12)
Wayne LaPierre is correct. Every school, every kindergarten in Israel has at least one armed guard. Without them, school children in Israel would become soft targets, just like the 25 children who were killed by terrorists in Ma'alot in 1974. Perhaps it's the best known terror attack on a school in Israel, but there were others including Mirkaz HaRav, 2008, in which 9 students were killed, Hebrew University in 2002 - 9 killed, The Avivim school bus massacre in 1970 in which 12 were killed; the list is too long to fit here. The one thing everyone agrees upon is that the casualties in each of these attacks would have been greater if there weren't someone nearby with a weapon to stop the carnage.
17. Israel had a whole lot of shootings BY ARAB TERRORISTS
Moshe   (12.25.12)
How can you compare terorists with an insane or is it that you're too afraid to admit the truth that Israel had a lot of shooting by Arab terrorists?
18. #13 questions
How well did banning drugs and alcohol work? How well did the Federal Assault Weapons Ban 1994-2004 work? Why did the Aurora "Batman" shooter choose a gun-free movie theater instead of other, closer, theaters? How would your ban stop the next Tim McVeigh?
19. #11 another perspective
simon marriott ,   haifa, Israel   (12.25.12)
Could anyone imagine Israelis electing a man like Bibi? What( who) will foolish Israeli voters elect and empower next? Sadly the founding fathers of our wonderful country didn't provide us with an American style second amendment so we are unable to defend ourselves in the event of a foolish majority or minority electing a king. Unless of course you are right wing and then you just assassinate the elected person.
20. The NRA and Israel
Yoylik ,   Washington DC, USA   (12.25.12)
As an American Jew and a life member of the NRA, I feel compelled to add my comments to this article. While Wayne LaPierre might have used incorrect terminology, his core message is essentially correct. I was living in Israel when the Maalot massacre happened along with quite a few other attacks on Israeli school children. It made sense at the time as it still does today to have armed guards at Israeli schools to prevent or respond to acts of terrorism. Since evil exists everywhere, be it in the form of a terrorist, or a deranged killer looking for his 15 minutes of fame, we should do all we can to protect the lives of the innocent, in this case children in school. Having armed guards at every school is one suggested solution. Offering free CCW training to teachers and school staff who want it so they can protect their own schools is another. Banning guns, of any sort is not the answer. Criminals will always find a way to get them. or be more creative in their methods. And for those who keep talking or in some cases screaming about banning assault rifles, please educate yourself. What is an assault rifle? Do you know? If you're thinking of fully automatic rifles like an M16 or a Galil, guess what? They've been banned here for many many years already. If you want to have a rational discussion on how best to protect our schools, fine. Let's just not let our emotions over a senseless tragedy caused by a mentally ill individual drive us to even thinking about limiting rights that our founding fathers established in our constitution.
21. Guns
JJ ,   USA   (12.25.12)
The right to bear arms is in the second amendment. If one person was armed during the recent shootings in the school and movie theatre, lives could easily have been saved. The shootings on the Long Island commuter train could have been stopped by one armed passenger also. In that incident, the shooter just went up the aisles firing at helpless people. I will keep my guns thank you.
22. Pierre represents the gun makers....
bad Assed Jew   (12.25.12)
is it any wonder he'd advocate for more gun sales when the gun manufacture's are his sponsors?
23. Deterrence
Scott ,   Dallas USA   (12.25.12)
LaPierre's point of placing armed "good guys" at schools is more for the deterrent affect it will have. A "bad guy" will find a softer target, with less threat of retaliation. Recently, there was a shooting at a local Oregon shopping mall. The gunman shot two. A "good guy" with a concealed weapon pulled his gun, the gunman saw this and ran into a store where he shot himself. If the "good guy" wasn't there, the "bad guy" would have shot more unarmed people. The main stream media refuses to print stories like this, unless they gain national attention, where they can't ber ignored. Deterrence works!
24. #20 - Well Spoken
Josh Wander ,   Pittsburgh, USA   (12.25.12)
As a dual-citizen of the US and Israel and a life member of the NRA, I agree whole heartily that extra regulations will have the opposite effect on solving this issue. The US tried that between 1994-2004 and it did nothing to solve the problem. I write on my website: Jewish Preppers how Israel is a good example of a country that has lots of weapons on every street and violent gun crime is low. Let's deal with the real issues instead of the symptoms!
25. #19 or left wing provocatuers like Yigal Amir's
Yosi ,   Gilo-Jerusalem   (12.25.12)
Handler and friends who helped killed Rabin. Ya, just like that my inciter friend. 1,000 times more incitement from the left.
26. Forgetting history again
Bob ,   Ny USA   (12.25.12)
Israel has nothing to proud of regarding their gun laws. In 2008 a lone gunman killed 8 students at Mercaz HaRav yeshiva in Jersusalem. The gunman was killed by an off duty IDF. If the armed soldier wasn't around, dozens would have been slaughtered like sheep. The restrictive gun laws put 8 boys in their sad.
27. Wayne LaPierre is right
Jake B. ,   Cleveland, OH   (12.25.12)
"There is no comparison between maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people and trained terrorists trying to murder Israeli children,” said Reuven Berko, a retired Israeli Army colonel and senior police officer". No one will ask the dead if they where killed by a psychopath or a terrorist. They will ask the bereaved loved ones if there was anyone there who could have prevented the killing.
28. Guns aren't the problem...
Hansje   (12.25.12)
The best proof is the fact that Israel has the lowest homicide number in the Western world, although many citizens are in the possesion of arms. I think it has something to do with the ability to detect and treat on time those persons affected with some kind of mentally disorders, which is lacking in the US due to high cost of medical care.
29. NRA is right
Richard ,   USA   (12.25.12)
It is silly to try to distinguish terror attacks from attacks by nutcases. The point is that an armed response is needed to both and that "gun free" zones invite massacres. What about that don't you understand? Israel has more guns per capita that the US, proving that guns don't kill any more than pencils write novels. And in those states that permit concealed carry in the US we have a far lower violent crime rate than in England or Europe. Anti- 2nd Amendment people can't win a logical argument and must resort to name calling and emotional nonsense
30. americans ARE NOT israelis!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (12.25.12)
americans do not serve in the army, and americans are not willing to have their bags searched at every entrance to every public building. so why does the NRA choose just one aspect of life in israel to justify its agenda of "more guns" to solve any and all problems in america? israel also has a great socialist medicare system, which provides necessary care to ALL its people - why isn't the NRA advocating for universally accessible (mental) health care?
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