Settlers fire back: IDF is PM's pawn
Itamar Fleishman
Published: 30.12.12, 09:37
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1. Cry me a river!
Sol ,   America   (12.30.12)
"They seem to have gotten 'friend' and 'foe' confused. They fired tear gas at a place with children. That's very serious. The battalion guarding us isn’t suppose to fire on us" They are supposed to enforce the LAW. If you break it, don't expect special treatment.
2. If
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.30.12)
If the so-called "settlers" didn't arrive on a Friday, they wouldn't have to be evacuated on a Friday... If one is given orders to leave by the established security forces, that is NOT "being attacked" and there is no excuse for fighting back - it most certainly is not "self-defense". If the orders given to Border Guards were the correct ones they would not have stopped because the operation may have gone over into Shabbat. If the Border Guards used tear gas, then it was necessary. They use riot control methods only when needed. These people ARE the foe of the general Israeli population and the security forces both. If they are illegal "settlers" and know that they are illegal they have no right to defense by the security forces in any case. If five Border Guards were injured then it is clear who was being violent. Etc., etc., etc.
3. Settlers are the real foe.
Dan   (12.30.12)
The Arabs want to destroy us but who is giving them the means of doing so? The settlers.
4. What part of the word 'illegal' these settlers don't get ?
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (12.30.12)
Doesn't matter if IDF came on Friday night to evict - what were settlers doing on illegal land on Friday night? Settlers instead should be ashamed that because of their actions, IDF had to work on Friday night.
5. these people represent the worst of the settlers
zionist forever   (12.30.12)
WHAT RIGHT to these people have to slash the jeeps of soldiers carrying out their orders or treating them as some kind of collaborators as all professional soldier do? The settlers are trying to make themselves sound like innocent victims because they claim the IDF used tear gas and were there to evacuate settlements but by their own admittance they were slashing the tires of jeeps and thats only the bit THEY are admitting to. The crime here is not what did either side do or how serious it was but challenging soldiers and slashing their tires is unacceptable. This radicalism started when Bennet told soldiers to refuse orders so if he wants to avoid looking like a settlers lackey he will speak out again and tell all settlers to challenge the IDF. These radicals risk bringing to power Livni or Shelly who don't want to be seen as their champions and swing voters will like that and see Bibi as being in bed with radicals. Already thanks to Bennets statement Likud have lost support if the polls are correct and Likud are the only ones capable of taking on Livni & Labor, who are going to try appease Obama & Abbas and start closing legal settlements as well as illegal outposts.
6. Lawful and moral are not the same thing
Ephraim   (12.30.12)
Settling all of Eretz Yisrael is our right and duty, and the fact that the law is against it, only speaks against the law.
7. Why Is The IDF Being Used Against Jews
A Jew ,   Jerusalem   (12.30.12)
The IDF is a draftee army of Jews and loyal Druze and loyal non-Jews. Its function is to defend Israel against its Arab/Islamic enemies. It is not there to be used against its own people. It is not there to expel Jews. The debate is not over whether orders should be refused, but whether the army should be used against its own people. Soldiers must follow legal orders, and they are required to refuse criminal orders. An order to expel Jews is a crime against humanity, and is therefore criminal, and it must be refused.
8. Jewess?
yosef ,   usa - israel   (12.30.12)
With a name Barbara (albeit is Haifa, Israel land?!) - are you a shiktza, by any chance ?!
9. Likud
Volvi   (12.30.12)
Im a likud member many years but this time Im voting for Bennett, I never trusted Bibi and cant trust him to protect jews and eretz yisrael. He works for the yoks at CFR. Thats why Bennett's party continues to grow. When its time to vote in likud primaries I will be there voting for Moshe Feiglin, period.
10. z. forever #5: Why do you misquote Naftali Bennett?
Steve Klein   (12.30.12)
You wrote, "Bennett told soldiers to refuse orders...." From YNet 12/22/2012: "Politicians from the Left and the Right are continuing to blast Habayit Hayehudi Chairman Naftali Bennett for saying that as an officer in the IDF's reserve forces he would prefer to refuse orders if it meant he didn't have to forcefully remove Jewish families from their homes." "He would prefer to refuse (immoral) orders" and accept the consequences, is a defensible position in my opinion. Bennett has since walked that position back somewhat. Why do you misquote him?
11. # 8
David ,   Haifa, Israel   (12.30.12)
Relate to the issue and not the persons name, the latter has nothing to do with the issue.
12. act like back then
peter ,   tel aviv   (12.30.12)
when the first intifada broke out a very wise man said to the army go out and break their legs. while back then i did not subscribe to that thinking back then. I have to agree now. Those price tag punks who try to initiate the first jewish settlers intifada backed by Bibi and Naftali should at least be thrown into jail. Those types already killed one time the hope of our country. And also back then Bibi and his stooges were standing on the balcony and smiling. Don't let them get away again. And now you can go on and hassle me on your comments as leftist and anti whatever, but if you have the guts to sit back and reflect you realize that this is the situation. You lost all decency and honor to this country. Teens with a stupid smiles on their face yet again ruin everything.
13. It's wonderful to see the trains run on time
Konrad Adenauer ,   Hauptsberg   (12.30.12)
Elkin is a yidiot, elkin is a yidiot, elkin is a yidiot according to governmental procedure elkin is a yidiot
14. 7
zionist forever   (12.30.12)
The IDF is there to do whatever they are ordered to do and draftee or not short of some kind of crime against humainty all soldiers must obey orders and that includes the ones they don't like. I fail to see how removing people from buildings set for demolition is a crime against humanity. What Assad is doing is committing a crime against humanity not Israeli soldiers evacuating settlements.
15. 14 It is not a crime as long....
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.30.12)
they don t take your possessions. The indifference of people to offenses done to others ,that is the real crime against humanity.
16.  They fired tear gas at a place with children
phil   (12.30.12)
OMG... did they??? Then perhaps you shouldn't be using children as human shields.. Arriving at this illegal colony for weeks knowing that you would be evicted.. and bringing kids with you.. and then complaining.. sickos
17. 16 Firing tear gas at children...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (12.30.12)
is a crime against humanity.There is no valuable excuse for doing that !
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