Not Baron Netanyahu's clerks
Shimon Shiffer
Published: 03.01.13, 00:15
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1. Big Ron
Mike B ,   London   (01.03.13)
Some discussions are best held in private. By the way, my money's on Big Ron. He's a class act.
2. Agreement with Palestinians.
Jules   (01.03.13)
This what the article suggests. But with WHICH Palestinians ? Both PLO and HAMAS are committed to the destruction of Israel.
3. Great article Shimon!
Mark ,   Cleveland USA   (01.03.13)
Just wanted to express my support before the right wing war party attacks the article. King Netanyahu is a tyrant, and thankfully, by being such a dope, is probably doing more to reawaken the peace movement that any left wing politician could ever do. Keep up the good work.
4. thank you Bibi for a job well done.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (01.03.13)
I am waiting for yediot to ackowledge that Prime Minister Netanyahu is the most competent Prime Minister Israel has has since Ytzhak Shamir. I am waiting.
5. Not only the timing should be questioned
Dave from Brazil ,   Sao Paulo   (01.03.13)
but also why it is happening at all. Why build on land the world recognizes as belonging to another state? "Israel earned such a respectable place among the world's nations due to brainstorming and intellect" that is correct but Israel is losing that place because it is taking irrational and haste measures. Israel desperately needs to get on the right track, because right now it is heading to a bad direction.
6. It should be crystal clear...
salomoni ,   Montreal, Canada   (01.03.13)
... it is obvious to me why the E1 construction. Obviously this left wing commentator is electioneering and once again bashing BB and spewing his BS. It is not the time for dissent!!! Otherwise, I like Ron...
7. intelligence?
Oleg ,   Montreal, ca   (01.03.13)
"you left your intelligence and judgment at the door" Not about Mr. Shiffer though. He has nothing to leave. So clear propagandist and pro-trade-union article. Yes they are clerk, and Netan. is democratically chosen PM not a baron.
8. Ron Prossor is a great ambassador
Cipora Julianna Kohn ,   Zion   (01.03.13)
netanyahu and the prime minister's office should learn not to inject egoes into foreign diplomacy.
9. One Government One Voice
Moshe ,   Paris   (01.03.13)
Policy decisions by the Prime Minister should be respected. This article is uncalled for and not helpful.
10. Unsafe with Amidror as security head
Norbus ,   Jerusalem   (01.03.13)
Hot heads are dangerous anywhere and most certainly at the top of National Security positions The E1 trumpet was one of the most stupid hollow responses to Abu Mazen going for observer status
11. Respinning the story
Ilan   (01.03.13)
The original story Amidror was responding not to Prosor but to another individual. Why was this leaked to the press?
12. Mr Shiffer is wrong!
Ellen ,   Israel/NYC   (01.03.13)
Diplomats are NOT elected officials and their job is NOT to make foreign policy. Their job is to support the policy of those in power. If their personal feelings make this impossible than they should not be serving. No country, especially Israel, needs diplomats who are going against its' stated foreign policy. That being said, Prosor has done an excellent job of defending Israel. It is all conjecture as to exactly what went down at the meeting. ALL leaked reports will come out with their own slants Those involved need to sit down, with Mr, Netanyahu and clarify and explain what went on. Otherwise, Israeli politicians are again acting like kids in the schoolyard. It needs to stop!
13. Amidror remarks
Iletzter ,   TA- Israel   (01.03.13)
Ron Prosor might have questioned the right of Israel to build in E1, which is not right . If he represents Israel, he must represent israel's governments policies. However , Bibi's strategies and policies are questionable. If he wants to build- make an internal government decision- and remove all beauractric procedures- and allow and push building. Declarations are worthless and harmful . Bibi is strong in mouthing declarations- but weak in execution. Either his true intention is not to build or he buckles under pressure !
14. # 4
Parsley ,   Tel Aviv, Israel.   (01.03.13)
Shamir set Israel back 20 years with his policies and practices. Only after he left office did Israel become again accepted in the world.
Jill Samuels ,   London England   (01.03.13)
It is about time someone put Ron Prosor in his place I think he thinks he is Prime Minister. We in the UK have finally got a wonderful intelligent well versed leader as an Ambassador, Ambassador Taub who would not need to be told what to say but is intelligent enough to know what to say to the country he is based in. For far too long Ron Prosor has thrown his weight around and in my opinion told people how great he is, he is not and in myopinion he was far from a good Ambassador in the UK he is just there for one person The Ron Prosor show. When he was younger he was such a good spokesperson but in my opinion he is a huge disappointment who did not do Israel any favours in the UK follow Ambassador Taub he is a class act the UN would be lucky to have him and so would Israel Ron is a clerk Ambassador Taub an eliquent leader
16. #14 Of course Israel became accepted in the world again
It got down on it's knees and licked the boots of the world.
17. there's "What" and then there's "How"
New Class Traitor ,   Tel-Aviv and Dallas   (01.03.13)
I can understand quite well that Israel wants to hang on to E1 to have a land corridor to Maale Adumim. However, if the point were to build there to create "facts on the ground", the thing to do was not to make fanfare and build quietly. At some point the usual suspects would get wind and have a cow but by then it would be irrelevant. If, of course, electioneering and trying to pose as more right-wing than the National Union is the name of the game, then one shouts from the rooftops that one is going to build in E1 --- and let the Ron Prosors break their heads on how to sell this to the world. It is not Ron Prosor's job to tell Israel's government WHAT to do. But perhaps he MIGHT know a thing or two about HOW to "sell" something --- that IS his job, after all. Unless, of course, this is all some elaborate "Mae West trick" to get one's way on a bigger issue (Iran?) by later "folding under international pressure" on a sacrificial lesser point (E1).
18. Looks like the Netanyahu camp is getting tetchy
Sarah B   (01.03.13)
When Netanyahu came second in the last election he signed a pact with the devil to become Prime Minister. This pact is turning round to bite him as he had to make idiotic decisions to keep his coalition together, many to the detriment of Israel. Doing badly in the polls with normal decent Israelis deserting him in droves his appartchiks, unelected and unrepresentative are lashing out as they realise the time where they enriched themselves is coming to an end. Any who understands Israel abroad knows Ron Prosor is an asset to Israel, it is a pity an unelected unrepresentative face of Israel treated him in this way.
19. #13 Ron Prosor didn't question the policy
Sarah B ,   Tel Aviv/London   (01.03.13)
He questioned the decision making process behind the policy
20. Welcome to the new era
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (01.03.13)
The new era - where people who dare ask questions about government policy are instantly dismissed from their jobs, humiliated in public, have their competence questioned etc. This is the new era of the bully boy government and it will lead to the complete demise of any remnants of anything resembling democracy which still exist here.
21. Bunch of uninformed ninnies squaking
Tambour ,   eilat   (01.03.13)
Critics of Proser, Fans of Taub, haters of BiBi, all pitching in not knowing the real issue. Just as Ariel College cosmetic status change caused uproar for no reason, so the E1 build did the same for nothing. I suspect Amidror was behind the contrived announcement which had exactly the opposite effect punishing Abu Mazen. Sympathy for him and alienation for Israel, hence he took offence Ambassadors are no clerks. Only Idiots like Amidror would think that
22. #4 wrong
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (01.03.13)
What is it with the Left inventing narratives? Shamir successfully integrated the Russian immigration and ended the First Intifada that the Leftist generals said could not be ended without Israeli surrender. He then stopped the secondary embargo, so that international companies that previously avoided Israel started having a massive presence. He started negotiations with local Arab representatives bringing us closer to peace than ever before, based on Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria with autonomy for Arabs and no "right of return". For all intents and purposes, PLO/Arafat ceased to exist. The extreme Left seized power in 1992 after falsely accusing Shamir of corruption, still receiving far less than 50% of the popular vote and making a coalition by bribing Deri and Shas. Within 2 years, Arafat was back center stage, Israel was hated and Arafat launched the "bus bomb" war that saw hundreds dead civilians in the center of Tel Aviv.
23. Caroline Glick
Mitzi oleh hadash, ,   Israel   (01.03.13)
rightly and entirely correctly said that this man has neevr functioned as a true, real journalist, but a leftist propagandist on behalf of surrender and appeasement of Arabs and even derelicted his duty as an alleged "journalist" by covering up Peres's first forays in Africa with the enemy PLO. So much about the non-existent cred. this charlatan has got.
24. E1
Barry Buffer ,   Israel   (01.03.13)
I always thought E1 was a food additive.
25. Agreement with "Palestinians" would be worst outcome of all.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.03.13)
An agreement with "Palestinians" would be the worst possible outcome. It would cost Israel Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, defensible borders, freedom from constant rocket attacks, freedom from inundation by hostile Arabs. It would trim Israel's waist to a suicidal 9 miles (15 minutes by tank). No sane Israel wants to see ANY of these things. Pursuing an agreement with "Palestinians" is pure lunacy.
26. Indication of the coming dictatorship...
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.04.13)
Remember this on election day! Diplomats, the President and others are no longer permitted free speech. You can easily imagine how that will effect you and me.
27. Ynet's articles sometimes.
SD Charger ,   San Diego   (01.05.13)
I appreciate the very different and open views expressed in Ynet. You won't hear such things from countries where they are ruled by Mullahs. The last line of this article, about things being temporary, sum up what Bibi has done over the years. You have to bend, flex and change if you want to keep up in today's societies. Our enemies change their tactics, and so must we. In my opinion, Bibi has played his hand very well and been able to bend, flex and change, right along with what his enemies have thrown at him. Perhaps the E1 situation is the result of the Pal's seeking their own "stake to claim" of the land by going to the UN? It's obvious they do NOT want to play by the Oslo Accords, so why should Bibi?
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