to join the Golden middleway. I hope as much from the secular Jews who might learn a bit more about their roots.

How much salary are they recieving as volunteers? My suspicion is that by waiting until they have families they are in fact receiving a salary similar to their worth in the private sector - and far more than their compatriots drafted to the army at 18

Your correct of course we can learn alot from the harideem , for example: How to dodge the draft How to live off beneifts all your life and not contribute a sheckel How to riot and abuse the law when ever you dont like a particular law How to attack women on buses How to attack women because they dont like her dress sense Well lets just stick with the basics then we will advance to the higher learning such as advanced stone throwing at cars driving on Shabbat......

There is no point giving caviar to an elephant . Might showing you all what you might benefit from Tora study, worthwhile?.

We seculars chose our path out of free will and in full knowledge of our heritage and roots. It is the Haredi population who is ignorant of many of its roots - knowledge of the Tanach is minimal, as most are told Talmud-Tora only with selective reading of the rest. Needless to say that the Haredim know little(if any) general history, physics, math, biology, philosophy, and even Jewish history. How can you claim to know your rots without knowing your history, picking myths instead?

liberty to serve in the I.D.F.? Either draft everyone, or no one. We have too many civil servants as is and do not need more. We need less and we need ones that put in a full days work, five and a half days per week.

I am not proud about that.Thank you for warning me .I 'll try my best to improve my way of commenting here. Concerning those who chose their path in full knowledge of our heritage,i am not criticising them. But are you sure that the majority of secular youth know the values of the Tora ,which is in my opinion more important that the Jewish history. I don t think that the Haredi Jews are perfect,but you can t deny that it is because of them that the Tora is still a living book, not to compare with Latin books . I don t agree that religious Jews believe in myths .It might seem like that, to people who look into religion superficially. I hope that one day ,the Secular and Orthodox Jews will learn the positive things from one another,and be reunited to AM EHAD.

Sorry , we can learn how to impose our lifestryle on them , as they do to us .

How about imposing mutual tolerance ?

The scientists ,when investigating about the origin of the world,stopped at the point where,perplexed, they had to explain , how could material have been created out of nothing. Until now,no scientist found a way to do so. Thus,it seems impossible. Since they refused to believe in G-D or the Creator,they invented the Big Bang Theory. Einstein said, in other words: no theory is full proof without experimentation. He admitted- after having tried to prove the opposite-that the universe was created by the Creator. This more than 3000 years after we received that information in the Tora. The Gemara is full of scientific discoveries. Modern scientists might win lots of Nobel prices by studying the Tora. A bon entendeur salut !