Beersheba country club forbids Bedouin from praying
Ilana Curiel
Published: 13.01.13, 17:37
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1. To pray in country club is absurd.
Shimon ,   Israel   (01.13.13)
To pray in country club is absurd. Just as to make workout in a mosque.
2. you don't go swimming in a mosque
and you don't pray in a country club. If he's so religious that he HAD to pray, how come all those half naked women around the pool didn't bother him? an obvious provocateur. It doesn't make the manager any less racist, mind you, but just to see things from all angles.
3. Good!
Reuven   (01.13.13)
4. time and place
Marcel ,   San Jose, Costa Rica   (01.13.13)
There is a time and place for everything. Obviously, the time is set by the daily routine. The place can be selected with more care. I personally would not want to be next to or seeing anybody praying - Muslim, Jew, Christian or otherwise. Don't people have any sense of privacy? I wasn't there in person but I would concur with the gym owner. Surely, the client could have found a nice quiet place somewhere. I suspect he is a bit of an exhibitionist and wanted to press the issue. Underwhelming.
5. Pure incitement on behalf of the Bedouin
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (01.13.13)
Is this first time this Bedouin came to exercise at country club? Did he pray at previous visits? Why go to club at hours of prayer? Just to cause incitement, that's why.
6. Fascinating
Cameron ,   USA   (01.13.13)
7. Do they even ALLOW jews to go to country clubs in USA yet?
Mottie   (01.13.13)
they and golf clubs were restricted from Jewish people.
8. both men acted like idiots
zionist forever   (01.13.13)
The manager acted like a child with his remarks about go complain to Tibi and Muslim a was a fool for getting into a slanging match especially considering the managers word is final and instead he should have said nicely if I can't pray there please find me a place where I can go... problem solved. If he wanted to pray he should have gone to reception and asked if they could find him a place to pray. If he was a member I doubt this was the first time he wanted to pray in the middle of his workout so what did he do at other times? The manager now should send the man a very polite letter saying the atmosphere got out of control now if your willing I would like to put the incident behind us now and in future if you want to pray as reception and they will find you somewhere and as a goodwill gesture I am giving you 1 month membership free of charge. If that is not acceptable to you then your membership fee will be returned and you won't be allowed back. Do that the manager comes out of it looking like the good guy because he recognises things got out of control so he is making a goodwill gesture and promising in future there will be a place to go. If the Muslim rejects that he comes out of it looking like a radical. The manager also needs to put up a notice saying people of all religions must as for am area to be designated to them if they want to pray and if they don't they will be asked to move on or leave the building. Do that and there is no need for shouting matches just have to point ay the sign and nobody can criticise the management.
9. Muslim aggression
Steve ,   Dallas USA   (01.13.13)
Pray in a work out facility? Absurd! This is a Muslim trying to mark his territory, trying to intimidate the other users of the facility, - we see it all the time in the US at airports, in offices - it is an "in your face aggression. Pure Muslim aggression - stop it now before you regret it.
10. free prayer
frank ,   pardes hana   (01.13.13)
if a few jews with kippot on their heads wanted torecite their evening prayers in the country club, would the response have been the same? what would the reaction have been if religious jews had received the same treatment in a CC in the states? I think the answer to these two questions highlights the disgusting racialism of the management and of the talkback responses
11. praying
caleb ,   israel   (01.13.13)
They don't let Jews pray on the temple mount so they can't prey at a country club. Sounds fair to me.
12. hypocrite
DavidR ,   USA   (01.13.13)
These islamists forbid Jews to pray on Temple Mount and then have the gall to criticize this man for not wanting an islamists prayer meeting in the middle of his club. Go pray at mecca and stay there!
13. Manager Sounds Justified To Me
emanon ,   USA   (01.13.13)
Speaking from a viewpoint based on American law, such as it is, a country club that requires dues is a private club and members must obey the rules of management. Here in America, some small congregations rent space in a public facility for the High Holidays, but this is a different matter: permission was asked for and granted. This incident sounds more like another attempt to impose sharia law on everyone. No one forced them to join this club and I'm sure they were advised this is a private club and members are subject to management's rules.
14. Fine example of jewish tolorance and fairness.
Jim ,   USA   (01.13.13)
Non-jews are constantly persecute in israel because of their religions.
15. Make a prayers room, for Jews and Muslims
Yossef   (01.13.13)
like in a few airports.
16. Pray as long as you don't disturb others
Alex   (01.13.13)
With that I mean pray silently without yelling some Arabic chants or rolling on the floor.
17. He should go pray in a mosque
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (01.13.13)
18. 13
zionist forever   (01.13.13)
I remember in the UK one time i came to the gym and there was nobody else there so I changed channel on the tv because was on MTV and never been a big fan of that. So after about half hour one of the staff comes in asks me to chance it back to MTV I told him I am the only one here can I just watch something I liked. He told me alot of people enjoy MTV so we keep it on that all the time. i politely said I was the only one here so can and he told me somebody else might come in who does want MTV. So I accepted they make the rules not me, didn't argue but we discussed it and I lost and accepted management are in charge and me being a member doesnt give me the right to dictate terms. This idiot seemed to think because he was a member e could do what the hell he liked. The man was an idiot but the manager was an idiot for rising to the challenge when the muslim started making threats. He should have said I am n charge so either go pray upstairs or leave and resign your membership should have given him an ultimatum instead of getting into a slanging match. So both men acted like idiots although management acted within their rights.
19. Praying in a health club
Adam Helberg ,   USA   (01.13.13)
If an individual wishes to pray at the gym that's fine, but if he's planning to bring a group to pray, then that's turning the facility into a mosque, synagogue or church. When I go to the gym I don't want to see a church service taking place. So the manager was right, but he should have responded more tactfully. But then Israelis are not known for tact.
20. To say thank you to G-d,you need...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.13.13)
not a special room.
21. Prayer in the mosque,church and sinagoghe
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (01.13.13)
Muslim provocation have found the right person;well done!!!Prayer has a place,and for muslims is a mosque.muslims provocation in pretending to' pray on other people proprety should NOT be' permitted... Muslims Are arrogants and need a little education ...well done!!! We cannot do what we want,when we wont...there is a code of rispect and education toward others...
22. In principle,I agree with Ora ,#20,but...
Keren ,   IL-BR   (01.13.13)
...the present case should be analyzed in order to be known if it was a provocation or a genuine act. My bet is that it was a provocation,but one never knows...
23. This guy was recording part of it..
Yoch ,   Y'layim   (01.13.13)
..obviously he sounds like 'a normal guy'.
24. @1 2 look 4 a minyan on an airplane is absurd!
Prayer should happen on the ground in synagogues!
25. what 10 said! INDEED! U got it right
26. Praying in public
Sagi   (01.13.13)
with all the pomp and circumstance is an act of exhibitionism. I say this no matter what the religion. When I see a Muslim stop his car at the roadside and get out his mat to kneel down and pray I feel exactly the same as when I see a Jew on a crowded train at 7 o"clock in the morning donning a prayer shawl and leather straps and then swaying to and fro and uttering weird incantations. I feel sorry for them being enslaved to stupid rituals and I also feel disgusted at the exhibitionism that it is. Praying, if that is what you fancy, is a private affair.
27. Hey, When I was in Saudi....
Edwin ,   Canada   (01.13.13)
...I was not allowed to pray anywhere, not even in private, according to my contract. Not only that, I was expected to drive co-workers to and from mosque in my vehicle on Fridays, or risk a public rebuke.
28. Yossef no 15
LION OF JUDAH ,   Jews fight like LION   (01.13.13)
Gym for sports. Go to mosque or Synagogue if you want to pray
29. Country Club
Get Real ,   UK   (01.13.13)
A lot of places do display signs requesting 'do not play on the grass' Anyway does the Club not have a set of Members Rules?
30. Usually these places have a sinagogue inside.
Keren ,   IL-BR   (01.13.13)
Why didn´t he go to pray inside the sinagogue to Hashem-Blessed be He? We could ,perhaps,set some hours for them to pray,as long as the rules of the sinagogue are respected. If in the Temple there were such rules,why should´nt them be in a sinagogue? Just a thought...
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