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Remember common history
Sinem Tezyapar
Published: 26.02.13, 00:15
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1. PR
Beary White ,   Norway   (02.26.13)
A very long article... As I use to say, the more word which are put on PR, the less value there is in the product. Almost a month ago, little mr Erdogan cold not believe that Syria did not go to ware against Israel, he himself would... So, memory, memory, memory
2. nice article
caglar ,   antalya Turkey   (02.26.13)
i hope two strong country and people ally again..shalom
3. Interesting!
Yossef   (02.26.13)
4. Really ??!
AJ ,   Jerusalem   (02.26.13)
1st off, Israel must "compensate" Turkey for the Mavri Mamra ?! Why would Turkey, a country so "peaceful" towards Israel, not simply send supplies to a port for inspection ?! If Israel sent a boat to the PPK & did not allow Turkey to inspect it, it would have ended far far worse. Why Turks expect Israel to bow to such nonsense is beyond my understanding. As for allowing Jews back to the Western Wall, The Ottomans also did not allow Jews to go past the 7th step of the Tomb of the Patriarchs on pain of death. So a little perspective might be in order. The best relations between Israel & Turkey was always when Turkey was moderate. That is quickly becoming not the case. Ataturk is spinning in his grave. I realize that the author is Muslem, but at some point she must look inward at the root of the issue, which is in large part Islamo elitism and intolerence of other faiths (Copts, Zoroastrians, etc etc etc).
5. OK, i read enough, that woman...
Iranian H   (02.26.13)
is either doing a love jihad or clueless or worse, trying to deceive. First of all, i am a former shia muslim. And despite she agrees that shia are muslim or not, does not mean anything to me. The quran is clear on how to treat the jews: Quran (3:151) , Quran (8:12), Quran (8:39), Quran (9:29), Quran (9:30), Quran (48:29), Quran (48:17) (to counter the logic of jihad = love), Quran (66:9). I know what she will say to defend it. My counter is, how about buddhist and hindu and atheists that don't believe in Allah and mohammad and the last day? The hadith are worse, and you can always just google the verses you need if you want to chop some jews. Saying Islam is quran only. Is like saying Judaism does not have Talmud. You can do it, but it's not the orthodox and the original older religion. Umar, the caliph that turkish girl mentioned, ordered the jews to wear a special yellow badge. The one that Hitler adopted later in Nazi Germany. There are many killing of jews by Mohammad, the prophet of Islam. Or as that turkish girl probably justify it as "bad jews". Many killing by persian shah, and arabs. If you really believe in her love jihad. Up to you. Me on the other hand, as a former muslim, you're all being deceived. Shame on YnetNews on spreading propaganda. This article is basically no different than a christian that are trying to deny and whitewash their history of jewish persecution and just focus on the good things christians has did to the jews. You need to do tell both the bad and the good if you want to be truthful.
6. The key to have the relationship back
Iranian H   (02.26.13)
is secularism. A secular Turkey is a strong Israel's ally. You can't be pro Israel if your holy 7th century hero killed many jews. And then have many hadiths and quran verses that directly and indirectly teach violence towards jews, christians and those that rejects Mohammad, Allah and the last days. How about hindu the polytheists ? how about buddhist the polytheist and buddha followers? how about atheists? how about jews that are atheists ? The key is secularism, don't promote moderate islam, there is no such thing. It's like calling "moderate Judaism" or "moderate hinduism" or Moderate Christianity. or Moderately atheist. You either follow the religion or you don't or you just follow some of it. The religion itself is clear and permanent, unless you want to change history by totally removing the hadith. But without the hadith, you don't know what you should do in mecca and how to perform many islamic rituals. Not to mention shia and sunni are heavily dependent on their own hadiths. It's like saying jews should forsake talmud and just stick with the tanakh. You can do it. But it is not the orthodox and the old religion itself. Promote secularism. Promote the mistakes of the quran to develop doubt. They are violent because they really believe in the quran. The key is secularize and lessen their fanaticism. The only solution is secularism. Ataturk knows this, i know this, and many former muslims knows this. Give voice to the apostates instead of the moderate muslims.
7. Hang on there just a minute
Volvi   (02.26.13)
You started saying oh so nice and lovely things and then you had the temerity to say "The Israeli public has to decide how it wants to compensate" regarding the Mavi Mamra. After that sentence you totally turned me off reading the rest of what you had to say. So let me get this straight. Your Prime Minister and leader send over a ship to break our "Lawful" blockade against Gaza. Then some of the passengers attack our soldiers who were armed with paint ball guns. So when they finally defended themselves against what is now clear as Terrorists with live fire defending their lives and killing 9 of those thug terrorists in the process.....you want US to compensate YOU???? For defending our lives? You have some gall, let me repeat, You want US to COMPENSATE your terrorists??? Unless you can distinguish right from wrong there is little point in hearing what you have to say!
8. Frankly, I dont buy it
gays4Israel ,   toronto   (02.26.13)
9. Thoughtful and reasoned
Ed Stack   (02.26.13)
Ms. Tezyapar's article is impressive and thoughtful. It is a pleasure to read such material from the Muslim world. If there were more article's like this, I am certain peace would be reached. I have just one question for s. Tezyapar. Perhaps Israel made a mistake in boarding a ship that was supposedly on a peaceful mission. If the ship was on such a peaceful mission, why were there so many people armed with knives and pipes? If the people on the ship had behaved peacefully, there would have been no incident. If the people on the ship had not been armed, a premeditated act, the incident could have ended without violence and death. Ms. Tezyapar, your points are well taken and taken in the spirit in which you offer them. I would hope that you would respond to my questions in the same spirit.
10. Compensate
Arturo   (02.26.13)
"The Israeli public has to decide how it wants to compensate" The Turkish government enable a boat load of provacateurs to start trouble. They got trouble. No compensation required by the Israelis. More likely a mea culpa from the Islamist Turkish government (don't hold your breath)
11. Turkey killed many armenians
Iranian H   (02.26.13)
And i am sure anyone can try to justify that. Mohammad killed many jews. Can't deny this fact. You can always justify it also. Jews are not righteous according to Islam. If any, some verses on quran and hadith mention them as being cursed into apes and pigs. ANd that the only religion accepted by Allah is Islam. Otherwise, there would be no need of sending Mohammad if people can reach heaven with judaism or christianity. That woman is totally giving half truth. That anyone that reads the quran and hadith with an IQ of 50 would know she is only telling the sugar coated with 100 kg of sugar and honey version.
12. The reason why muslim world ...
Iranian H   (02.26.13)
have a moment of peace and no wars is simple. They were defeated. Muslims were peaceful in India because they are defeated by the hindus. India used to be conquered by islamists and called Mughal. Muslims were peaceful in most middle east because British and France ruled it. And islamist preacher would disappear, aka shot. Indonesia were peaceful because of centuries of Dutch rule. Uighur were peaceful because the chinese conquered them. Russian muslims were peaceful because the russians conquered them. Muslims in North Africa are peaceful because the british, italians and french ruled them. The moment when islam ruled the world, is a very violent Islam. They conquered India, Greece, North Africa, southern part of Russia and Spain using the sword. The key to lessen their fanaticism is what Ataturk did, secularism. Ataturk is not stupid, and he specifically created a "vanguard" generals and army to safe guard secularism for a reason. The moment it is lost, well.... you got the old Turkey back. The aggressive barbaric nation. But this time, good luck on trying to conquer Greece or India or Russia or China. Iran with a nuke would counter the balance though.
13. Thank you Sinem
marcelo tuchman ,   RIO,BRAZIL   (02.26.13)
Turkey is a exemple of good relations between jews and muslins, and proof that Israel can have good relations with arab states, and more, that a hate of some,jews,arabs and muslins,is jeopardizing our good relations As you said, since biblical times, jews and Turkey have a great friendship.
14. Dear Ms. Tezyapar!
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (02.26.13)
Thank you for this article! However, we take our national security very very seriously. You were warned not to sail to Gaza, but you did not listen. If you really want peace then push Egypt to take Gaza back and then you can send ships to them twice a day if you wish. Or convince the short king of Jordan to create Palestine as he should. Then we can have peace! We can talk about peace very nicely all day long but w/o any action then we are just bunch of words.
15. Wonderful article.
Jayme ,   Lotem/ Sydney   (02.26.13)
16. Turkey is going back to the Dark Ages
steve from raleigh   (02.26.13)
And we will laugh hysterically as they do. Soon Medieval plagues and witch hunts will be the norm in Turkey and their psychotic infantile leader will pound his desk even harder screaming about the Jews.
17. Oh, I don't think so
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.26.13)
The days of allowing Turkey to straddle the fence, so to speak, are over. Turkey needs to decide if it wishes to reach to the West or if it wishes to reach to Iran. A very important decision for Turkey. But it is Turkey's to make. The fact that Turkey has released from prison all the terrorists responsible for the suicide bombing of two synagogues in Istanbul is an important component of that decision. Turkey can turn towards the light -- or turn towards darkness. Your choice, sweetie. Not ours.
18. Erdogan
jeff ,   bev .hills ca   (02.26.13)
stop sugar coating it, erdogan and that guy gul or whatever both are anti semites
19. ENJOY YOUR DREAM END................
ADAM ,   CHICAGO   (02.26.13)
20. Yes, very much alike
Tina   (02.26.13)
"..there is a firm stance against bigotry and in both countries people are respected and embraced regardless of their religion. " Absolutely. Just ask Hrant Dink or any other Armenian, or any Palestinian. I'm sure they will vouch for this statement.
21. Turkish
Edouard ,   Canada   (02.26.13)
I a very happy to see that this Turkish lady is not just very pretty but also very smart and knowledgable Muslims and Jews are not cousins but brothers We both come from the same father It is in the interest of super power country's to divide us The Othman and the Arabs as well where alway the natural allies of the Jews Let hope that we will see the day where we will live I peace again
22. Patronizing and coming from an Imperialist Ottoman
Marco ,   Spain   (02.26.13)
23. viva israel
viva israel ,   israel   (02.26.13)
day dream...
24. TO number 17
Orgal Cumkcu ,   Ismir   (02.26.13)
You live in a dream. Turkey is far more important than Israel in all fields. Technological, political, economics. It is the most important country in the region. And Israel desperately needs Turkey. Our Government in Ankara, if it has any dignity, should continue showing Israel who is who in the region. The path we chose to go ahead is determined by ourselves and not by people like you. Our drive is the right one, supported by most of the countries. And your path? You live in darkness now, without friends, without future, with a bunch of fanatical religious spiting women on streets. You kill our nationals and oppress 4 million people. The name of your country in all campuses of Europe and the US is anathema. You are a hated nation. Just mention the names Turkey and Israel to anyone and you will see who the loved one and the hated one are.. Shame on you. Keep imploring our apology. One day we will consider that.
25. Correction
Maurice ,   Montreal   (02.26.13)
The article says: "Israel and Turkey have always had a longstanding friendship, ever since the time of the Ottomans. " I would like to remind the writer that Israel was created in 1948, way after the Ottoman period had ended. During the Ottoman period there was no Israel!
26. a lovely fairy tale which contains a poison pill
Cipora Julianna Kohn ,   Z   (02.26.13)
israel will not apologise or compensate murderous jihadists sent by erdogan to break a legal blockade.
27. Not buying it
M Carr ,   Baltimore, USA   (02.26.13)
As I read this article my mind kept flashing back to the image of frenzied Muslims pounding the crap out the Israeli commandos. Try as I may I couldn’t synch the syrupy sweet words of Ms Tezyapar with the horrors of the Mavi Marmara incident. I’m sure this article will find its way to Erdogan and his minions and hopefully it will have a positive impact on them. Me? I ain’t buyin’ it.
28. Until the armenians are given justice, your words are hollow
Sol ,   Champaign   (02.26.13)
I do not trust a nation that committed genocide and denies it to this day to treat the Jews well.
29. Wasting your time Tezyapar
jackstraw   (02.26.13)
Zionists are not interested in reconciliation and cooperation.
30. #24 Orgal
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (02.26.13)
No one here cares to compare who is more important to the region or not. At least we don't as Jews. Until you don't guarantee our security then what you wrote is just bunch of words. If you are really interested in helping the people who you call oppressed then you need to take the correct steps with Egypt and Jordan. Otherwise, you just keep chest pounding and typing bunch or empty words w/o any clear and correct action.
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