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Will Bibi and Obama make history?
Eitan Haber
Published: 28.02.13, 00:08
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1. Gevalt. Author has logic, however, Israel is a sovereign
hippocrates ,   earth   (02.28.13)
state and the main issue in the year 2013 , as I understand it is the 3 billion in aid (versus the 30 billion to mots of the 22 arab and 34 non Arab muslim countries.... by the way) to Israel which must be spent on American products thus allowing 50,000 US citizens a job. But in my opinion that amount is not worth selling our heritage, our security, to a rapidly hanging world, Middle East, UN, and even USA....unfortunately much of the changes are not for the better. Witness the Arab spring, witness how high the UN jumps for Arab oil in their daily crusade against the Jewish country. Jordan is Palestine. Hopefully someone has the balls to say it.
2. Get your Galut passport ready
Tom W ,   USA   (02.28.13)
If the author prediction comes true then Israel is finished for good. There will be no more chance to have a safe place for the Jews if they squander what was paid by 6 million murdered soul. Then the Meretzniks and assorted self-loathing leftist Jews can return to Birobidjan, the communist anti-Zionist "homeland" in Siberia. Eurabians hate you with passion, Soros-Jstreet run America doesn't like fleeing Israelis either. Convert to Dhimmitude and kiss Obamao hand. A "minority" community organizer from Chicago will have defeated single handedly the Jewish nation. Amazing feat.
3. Livni must go
Bill Stein ,   USA   (02.28.13)
No more appeasement or concessions. Bibi don't sale Israel out.
4. Obamas Legacy
Zechariah   (02.28.13)
If Obama can stop Nuclear Proliferation and Convince the Palestinians to Delay Right of Return and keep Jihadis and Fatah Ba'ath out of Judae and Samaria he can be wished well.But if he meets Hanna Ashwari a Arab Christian against violence he will find a one country for Two People's Logic with Enclaves everywhere.
5. Very little chance for history making this visit.
Abe ,   AZ   (02.28.13)
Bib, is a much weaker leader after the recent elections it is even questionable weather he will have a government to speak for upon Obama arrival. It is done mostly for interior US politics.
6. Forget the visit
Brod ,   USA   (02.28.13)
Obama's presence triggers mayhem among the Arab Islamist-Jihadist terrorists and usurpers. Israel should cancel the visit. It is not necessary. Don't depend on Obama on Iran nuke threat. Obama has buried America with 16.5 Trillion Dollars in National Debts. He should be working hard to save America from destruction rather than traveling around and wasting Tax Payers' money.
7. A true Chelmer.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (02.28.13)
Haber spews forth more nonsense. Haber wants to bring the arab terrorists and iran to the gates of Jerusalem and Gush Dan
8. mr. haber
(02.28.13)
what about hamas? how can isrel make peace with only the plo who owns and rules only in the westbank??? what about hamas, sir? they have to agree to a unity first, a united palestinian government. they are divided now. so, who will bring hamas into this peace deal? we can;t negotiate only with abbas because hamas owns half of the future palestinian state. won't it be better and more logical to have both plo and hamas tie hands together and then we can negotiate in good faith? if we negotiate with half a party or leadership, what kind of peace would that be? one part respects the peace and the borders while the other continues to bombared us with missiles? what kind of peace is that?
9. Bibi must tell Obama "NO".
Chaim ,   Israel   (02.28.13)
Bibi is the only world leader who has demonstrated fear of Obama. No other leader has any problem telling Obama "NO". Bibi must do so also. We are not about to sacrafice our sole tiny more than 3,500 year old ancestral Homeland to please an absolute incompetent U.S. President who is ruining America.
10. Hopefully this is EXACTLY what HBO will do:eat humus&go home
tom ,   tel aviv   (02.28.13)
11. "Net knows that without America we have no life here"
Cameron ,   USA   (02.28.13)
The ultimate, bottom-line truth. The game is up without America at your side. It will be interesting indeed to witness how Israelis, by necessity, will adapt to Obama's ME vision & plans.
12. The Leftist Wet Dream
Avi ,   USA   (02.28.13)
The Dream is that the US will somehow force Israel to make peace with the Pals by beating up on the PM. They've been asking for this with every PM. It won't happen because no Israeli leader can convince the majority of Israelis that Pals want peace. hence any referendum on this would fail. It does not mean that israelis don't want peace. They Do! but they won't trust any pal leaders that exist today. They need to see different pal leaders first.
13. Bibi has "drawn the boundaries" as you put it.
Jake ,   USA   (02.28.13)
The boundaries are a deep inside the West Bank. The Arabs lost. They should run with any offer they get.
14. this is assuming that Bibi is still PM
zionist forever   (02.28.13)
Bibis official time for forming a coalition has come and gone now he has requested a 2 week extinction and if he cant form a coalition by then we will have another election which Lapid and his brand of populist politics will win probably by a landslide then Obama will be trying to make history with PM Lapid. Its not only possible but likely because populist politics only work once and once in government you make enemies and your party is not s likely to win as many seats next time hurting your chances of reelection. Lapid may prefer to hold out for another election because he doesn't have much to loose as he is not PM but everything to gain because if he can get enough support using his popuist politics he can win the premiership. I am sure Obama will love doing business with PM Lapid who will agree to any concession Obama wants as long as it allows him to attack the religious. Lapid who has no love for religion so most issues that concern religious people like Jerusalem & settlements he will have no emotional attachment and have an easier time doing a deal on them. Lapid is also more interested in legacy than anything else and he would love to be the one who signed a peace deal with the palestinians so if he thought just making a load of concessions would gibe him that legacy he would go with it. If I was a leftist I would now be hoping there is a second election and Lapid wins it because he has no ideology to defend.
15. Leftist Defeatism
A Jew ,   Jerusalem   (02.28.13)
Haber, Maybe you have been defeated mentally but the rest of us haven't. Obama isn't our master and Bibi isn't his subordinate. We don't have to surrender our country for Obama's benefit.
16. jews are safe
Rau   (02.28.13)
wherever they are. Just behave like a civilized people and nobody hates you because of your jewishness.
17. The crazy woman will appear soon
Kobi Martin ,   Tel Aviv   (02.28.13)
This article is very good. It reflects the view of us, normal, decent Zionists, that want to live apart from Palestinians in a truly Jewish State. Metzuyam. But in a few minutes that crazy woman from Brooklym Rebecca B or Sarah B. will show up the usual trash: Jordan is Palestine... let's concquer the land from the Sea do the River and expel all Pals.. this land is ours for divine right and other shtuyot. The author is right. It is time do set boundaries and waste our energies in our people not in useless wars.
18. To: No. 11
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.28.13)
First of all, I'm not at all sure that your comment is true. Israel has resources of its own. But -- were your comment accurate -- do you really think that Israel would back itself into a corner where it is absolutely dependent upon the United States? The United States has betrayed us before. We depend on ourselves. Something you may wish to keep in mind, as you attempt to push us into a corner .... from which very few people will emerge alive. Think Samson. We WILL pull down the temple walls.
19. Even GWB, who articulated that infamous
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (02.28.13)
term "road map", to proceed with the destruction of the Jewish state in the aftermath of the 9/11 frenzy, FAILED to achieve his evil plan...the wimp Hussein O. will also ***FAIL***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Bibi is NOT Sharon !
20. haber has spoken
tom ,   toronto, canada   (02.28.13)
with all the fury of a 3-year-old who didn't get his way, haber has stated his demands. but yet, what he is demanding is neither reasonable (it takes 2 sides to make peace, and it would mean an end to abu mazzen's lucrative protection racket), nor is he in a position to impose his will on the universe (not having been elected as ruler of anything more than his mouth). a fanatic is someone who won't change his mind, and won't change the subject. next! manded that the universe unfold HIS way.
21. Haber is a destructive, infallibly wrong leftists.
Chaim ,   Israel   (02.28.13)
Haber also thought it was a great idea to arm "Palestinian" terrorists. This disgusting article is full of defeatism and scare mongering. It belongs in "Palestinian" papers. Not in Jewish ones. Nor does Israel depend on America for her existence. America wasn't even a key Israeli ally till Israel proved her valor in the 1967 Six Days War. Haber is a pathetic, destructive, infallibly wrong leftist.
22. #18 - Only Sarah is suicidal and she does not
spyguy ,   seattle, usa   (02.28.13)
even live in Israel which will be ground zero if Israel tries to use the Samson Option.
23. #18 -Sarah B
jdledell ,   USA   (02.28.13)
Sarah - In numerous talkbacks yyou threaten the world with the "Samson Option". If this would ever happen, there would not be a Jew left in this world. Not only would Israel be destroyed but every Jew in the world would be hunted down, including me. Stop this Samson nonsense, you are making all of us Jews look like nutcases.
24. Bibi,be not the victim,but the master
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.28.13)
of history.
25. 22 Which Samson? The one who was..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.28.13)
captured by softness of arms?
26. poor, dumb speculation Obama, Natayahu
moshe ,   Tivon, Israel   (02.28.13)
Speculation is cheap. Obama and Netanyahu are not buddies. Pray tell what head of government, even: which country? ; are friends of Pres Obama ? Friends of the USA/ ... there are very many. Don't Panic ! moshe
27. To Haber & no.11
Brett ,   Florida   (02.28.13)
Some of you claim to be Jews, but do not believe the Torah. Re-read Ezekiel chapters 36 through 39. Do you think God depends on America? How is that you think Israel has to? Oblamer has no good intentions for Israel, or America. Wake the hell up and smell the gunsmoke. Israel will not be removed again, period!
28. $3 Billion spend on US Weapons
Saul ,   New York, USA   (02.28.13)
I don't get the point of people who say that 'America must give Israel $3 Billion in aid each year, as the money is spend on US Tec thus creating US jobs'. We can just as easily give the money to South Korea and they can buy the US tech (they need it due to North Korea's nukes) or we can just spend the money ourselves on our own weapons and cut out the middle man so to speak!
29. From the first sentence the author is in error
BUILD BABY BUILD ,   United States   (03.01.13)
Must, Demand etc. have all gotten obama Akbar no place.. The US has bigger problems than trying to rule Israel ( which, by the way is doing much better than the US ) Israel and Bibi don't have to do jack shit. The pals should take this time to settle their affairs and move back to where they came from which is NOT Israel. Israel can just stall as did arafat and his successors. Time is on Israel's side. She's learned from the opposing side just to wait and not cede another inch to more pal terrorists. And, why the hell should she? The pals can go to hell. Obama akbar is a temporary nuisance like a fly on shit. He's crumbling like a poorly made piece of unfired pottery. His claims of the 'sky is falling' due to a 2% trimming of the budget is proof.
30. I'd be worried,,,
Mark ,   U.S.   (03.03.13)
I'd be worried this earthquake comming in March,,, this month, lets see what the odds makers think,,,,, the earth is tired of tis madness and impeeding prophecy of a fullfillment of some kind, any kind of PEACE, lets see,,, the earthquake or the PEACE,,,,,, anybody wanna take odds.
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